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Post Mortem / Re: [M|99%|YAFW] First Full Win vov
« on: November 01, 2013, 12:49 »
This is the beauty of melee outside AoB, of course; you can lean on other weapons until you've developed your traits sufficiently. When I play melee (usually MVm builds as well) I tend to wait with switching to full melee until the master trait itself.

Apart from the one soul you've missed, it's a really great run, all in all. What made you chicken out in the arena, though?

It was my first time running a full on Melee build, so I wasn't sure if I wanted to do CC+ or not, I decided against it, in hindsight MIGHT have been able to go for Conqueror if I did. vov Welp now I know for future runs, I might do a shotty run and a pistol run on HNTR before I start attempting HMP.

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Post Mortem / [M|99%|YAFW] First Full Win vov
« on: November 01, 2013, 10:00 »
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 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Mewbie21, level 13 Cacodemon Sergeant Major Marine,
 nuked the Mastermind at the Hell Fortress.
 He survived 144550 turns and scored 140527 points.
 He played for 2 hours, 2 minutes and 21 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 728 out of 729 hellspawn. (99%)
 He was a real killing machine...

 He saved himself 2 times.

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 10
  Levels completed : 8

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Aurora Medallion
  Grim Reaper's Badge
  Hell Armorer Badge
  Heroic Silver Badge
  Reaper Silver Badge
  Reaper Gold Badge
  Longinus Gold Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 95/60   Experience 71748/13
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +10  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +15

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Marine

    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Brute            (Level 5)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Berserker        (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 1)
    Badass           (Level 2)
    Vampyre          (Level 1)

  Bru->Bru->Ber->Bad->Bad->MVm->Bru->Fin->Jug->Fin->WK->Bru->Bru->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Angelic Armor [11/11] (94%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   Longinus Spear (8d8)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   tactical boots [0/0] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nuclear plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [24/24] (A1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] tactical shotgun (8d3) [5/5]
    [b] red armor [6/6] (100%) (P)
    [c] phaseshift armor [1/2] (35%)
    [d] energy shield [0/0] (35%)
    [e] piercing chainsaw (4d7)
    [f] shotgun shell (x22)
    [g] shotgun shell (x70)
    [h] small med-pack
    [i] large med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] homing phase device
    [r] technical mod pack
    [s] lava element
    [t] plasteel boots [2/2] (200%) (B)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Bullet     - internal 60%   torso 95%   feet 60% 
    Melee      - internal 60%   torso 95%   feet 60% 
    Shrapnel   - internal 60%   torso 95%   feet 60% 
    Acid       - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Fire       - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Plasma     - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    105 former humans
    63 former sergeants
    9 former captains
    59 imps
    101 demons
    192 lost souls
    37 cacodemons
    33 hell knights
    39 barons of hell
    17 arachnotrons
    4 former commandos
    13 pain elementals
    8 revenants
    19 mancubi
    14 arch-viles
    6 nightmare demons
    2 bruiser brothers
    1 shambler
    1 lava elemental
    1 agony elemental
    1 Angel of Death
    1 Cyberdemon
    1 Spider Mastermind
    1 John Carmack

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena before it got too hot.
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 7 he sneaked into the Phobos Lab.
  He broke through the lab.
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  On level 9 he entered Hell's Armory.
  On level 9 he found the Acid Spitter!
  On level 9 he assembled a piercing blade!
  He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
  On level 11 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 12 he romped upon the Abyssal Plains.
  He slaughtered the beasts living there.
  Level 13 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 13 he assembled a tactical shotgun!
  On level 14 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 14 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he assembled a fireproof armor!
  On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
  On level 17 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 17 he found the Longinus Spear!
  He then destroyed the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 18 he found the Frag Shotgun!
  On level 20 he was foolish enough to enter Limbo!
  On level 20 he found the Angelic Armor!
  He managed to clear Limbo from evil!
  On level 22 he entered the Lava Pits.
  He managed to clear the Lava Pits completely!
  Then at last he found Dis!
  He overloaded a nuclear BFG 9000 on level 24!
  He defeated the Mastermind and found the TRUE EVIL!
  Then finally in Hell itself, he killed the final EVIL.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You hit John Carmack. You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 John Carmack reloads his rocket launcher. You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 Carmack raises his hands and summons hellspawn! You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You hit the baron of hell. The baron of hell dies. You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You hit the baron of hell. The baron of hell dies. You're going berserk! You
 are hit! That hurt! You' going berserk! You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You hit John Carmack. John Carmack reloads his rocket launcher. You need to
 taste blood!
 You hit John Carmack. John Carmack dies. Congratulations! You defeated John
 Carmack! Press <Enter>...
 You feel relatively safe now. You're going berserk!

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 40 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 33 of those were killed.
 And 1 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 6 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 4 killed the bitch and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

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So after being pretty sure with myself that I was done with ITYTD I've been playing a bit of HNTR in order to get better at the game over all.  I decided to try out a legit Melee build in order to become better at little techniques like Gift Dropping and what have you.

An early Combat Shotgun on like floor 3 made Phobos a breeze, I actually found myself using my shotgun more then my Chainsaw.  The game was throwing plenty of Bulk and Power mods at me though so I almost always had a 4/4 Blue or a 200% Red to keep myself safe. 

Abyssal Plains was very generous to me, giving me 3 Hatred Skulls.  Once I hit the UC though, HOOOOO BOY, you guys really don't do the Longinus justice.  That thing is FUN.  After clearing the UC I almost always had 200% health, would just run into whole packs of Mancubi and not give a fuck.

Limbo was laughable.  Thanks to my Hatred Skulls and all the Large Health packs I had I just ran straight into the groups of mobs and tore them apart.  what the Mortem doesn't show was all the Exotics I found, Nuclear Plasma Rifle, 2 Medical Armors (P modded one of those), Energy Shield, and the Phaseshift Armor, which with my Tac Boots and Berserk I was getting .4 move, it was Magical.

The best part was on Hell 7 I found a Inv Globe, which I used with the NukeBFG to kill MM, so if I wanted to I could have just Nuked JC too with the NukePR, but I figured I had coasted through the game already and went 1on10 with Carmack.  He took 4 hits, hahaha.  Good times...

Edit: Oh ya, the only upsetting thing was the 1 Lost Soul or Cacodemon that got away from me in the Halls. :[ should have been YAAM.

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 23, 2013, 11:59 »
I got a question on health packs, I feel like in Phobos its WAY easy to get them, even if a former picks one up you can usually one shot them or kill them before they use it, the issue is once I reach Deimos and Barons and Knights are aplenty.  Are there any specific strategies you guys have for making sure you're still picking up health packs around those floors?

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Discussion / Boots and you.
« on: October 23, 2013, 11:57 »
So I'm slowly getting better and better at the game, but there are still a few topics I'm not really sure on.  One of those is boots, I never really know what kind of boots to make and when to make them.  I mean unless I'm playing a pistols build and I need the A mods for my speedloader, the first thing I always try to make are Tac boots, but after what do you guys aim for if you have a massive influx of mods?

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Post Mortem / [M|90%|12|YASD] Downhill from the start
« on: October 08, 2013, 13:13 »
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 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Mewbie14, level 8 Cacodemon Sergeant Major Marine,
 was spooked by a lost soul on level 4 of the Deimos base.
 He survived 93911 turns and scored 41594 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 45 minutes and 32 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 413 out of 457 hellspawn. (90%)
 He held his right to remain violent.

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 6
  Levels completed : 5

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Hell Armorer Badge
  Hell Champion Medal

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/60   Experience 27578/8
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +2  ToDmg Melee +2

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Marine

    Son of a bitch   (Level 2)
    Son of a gun     (Level 2)
    Reloader         (Level 1)
    Dualgunner       (Level 1)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 1)
    Bullet Dance     (Level 1)

  SoG->SoG->DG->SoB->SoB->TH->MBD->Rel->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   high power pistol (2d6) [4/4]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   steel boots [1/1] (100%) (A)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   micro launcher (5d5) [0/1]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] high power pistol (2d6) [4/4]
    [b] red armor [1/4] (5%)
    [c] red armor [1/4] (12%)
    [d] 10mm ammo (x76)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [f] rocket (x14)
    [g] rocket (x8)
    [h] technical mod pack
    [i] technical mod pack
    [j] bulk mod pack
    [k] bulk mod pack
    [l] onyx armor pack
    [m] Arena Master's Staff

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    None

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    88 former humans
    36 former sergeants
    15 former captains
    44 imps
    28 demons
    148 lost souls
    18 cacodemons
    9 hell knights
    5 barons of hell
    4 arachnotrons
    1 former commando
    5 pain elementals
    5 elite former humans
    2 elite former sergeants
    2 bruiser brothers
    2 shamblers
    1 Arena Master

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 5 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
  He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
  On level 7 he marched into the Military Base.
  He purified his fellow comrades.
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  On level 9 he entered Deimos Lab.
  On level 9 he assembled a high power weapon!
  On level 9 he assembled a high power weapon!
  On level 9 he assembled a micro launcher!
  He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
  Level 10 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 11 he arrived at the Containment Area.
  He emerged from the Containment Area victorious!
  On level 12 he found the City of Skulls.
  On level 12 he finally was spooked by a lost soul.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed. The lost soul hits you.
 Can't run, there are enemies present.
 The pain elemental spawns lost souls!
 The pain elemental spawns lost souls!
 The pain elemental spawns lost souls!
 The lost soul hits you.
 The pain elemental spawns lost souls!
 The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you.
 The lost soul misses you.
 The pain elemental spawns lost souls! The lost soul hits you. The pain
 elemental spawns lost souls!
 The pain elemental spawns lost souls! The lost soul hits you.
 The lost soul hits you.
 The lost soul hits you.
 The lost soul hits you.
 The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. You die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 28 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 23 of those were killed.
 And 1 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 4 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 3 killed the bitch and survived.

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Hoooo boy where to start with this run.  So I intended to do a MAc run, but at level 3 when I realized I had put 2 points in SoG instead of SoB I decided to get MBd, not knowing how MBd works I decided to make 2 High-Powered Pistols.  Let me tell you about having a slow reload and having to reload every 2 shots.  I mean I could kill a Baron of Hell without having to reload, but flank me and it was bad.  So then I had the bright idea of going in to the City of Skulls. It'll be easy, I said, I do so much damage, I said.  I went in with 5 Large Health packs 2 Red armors, and a phase device.  The devices threw me to the far left, this was after 4 failed rocket jumps, I think I'm skiping City of Skulls and Abyssl Plains on all Pistol runs from now on.  I DID DEMIOS LABS THOUGH :V.  In retrospec I should have used that Onxy mod on a Red Armor but I guess I was hoping on saving it till at least Hell in case I found a cool Exotic.

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Before the 9.9.7 I did a number of Marksmen and Berserkers but never had a success, did get past Cybie on both though.  But since then I've learned how to do more from what I've read on the forum so they should go better but who knows, DooMRL is a mystery to all.  Also AoMC looks like tons of fun.

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I'm probably going to start doing Angel runs to mop up the rest of the bronze and do some silvers while I'm at it, might do these in streams as well.

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 03, 2013, 11:43 »
Well, not so much the mechanics, methinks, as a couple of things you can rely on. If I were to attempt another speedrun, it'd be something like this:

1) Start as a Scout, since you can see the stairs at every level.
2) Start with Brute. You'll want Berserker a.s.a.p. DO NOT - by design or accident - take any levels in Ironman. You'll lose the game.
3) Run! Pick up any armor, medkit and phase you can find. Grab a shotgun to help yourself get to the Chained Court. Grab the Chainsaw.
4) Run! Some more! Use the run function a lot, especially if you're close to the stairs, since it'll give you an advantage on your enemies and your 'tired' will be reset to 'cautious' once you descend.
5) Know which special levels are death traps and which ones you can immediately escape from (ie you're spawned right next to the stairs).
6) When you're done running, chainsaw Spidey to death.

That's about it, I think.

I'd like to thank you LuckyDee, I was able to pull off a barely under 10 minute run thanks to your advice, if you want you can check out the mortem here http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6765.0.html .  In other news, time to step up to HNTR it seems, I might start doing streams of runs, if I were to do that where could I post it on here so that you guys could ridicule me while I screw everything up?

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 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Eewbie14, level 6 Cacodemon Sergeant Major Scout,
 defeated the Mastermind at the City of Dis.
 He survived 12215 turns and scored 24454 points.
 He played for 9 minutes and 54 seconds.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 72 out of 275 hellspawn. (26%)
 Who gave him the ticket to Hell, anyway?

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 7
  Levels visited   : 2
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Minor Icarus Cross
  Major Icarus Cross
  Compet-n Silver Cross
  Compet-n Gold Cross
  Compet-n Platinum Cross
  Untouchable Badge
  Speedrunner Bronze Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 38/50   Experience 11226/6
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +6  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +9

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Scout

    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Brute            (Level 3)
    Berserker        (Level 1)

  Bru->Bru->Ber->Bru->HR->HR->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   blue armor [4/4] (56%) (P)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   chainsaw (5d6) (B)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   tactical boots [0/0] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   shotgun (8d3) [1/1]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [b] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [c] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [d] green armor [1/1] (94%)
    [e] green armor [1/1] (62%)
    [f] blue armor [1/2] (17%)
    [g] red armor [4/4] (89%)
    [h] shotgun shell (x50)
    [i] shotgun shell (x10)
    [j] small med-pack
    [k] small med-pack
    [l] small med-pack
    [m] small med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] phase device
    [q] technical mod pack
    [r] bulk mod pack

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Bullet     - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Melee      - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Shrapnel   - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Acid       - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Fire       - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Plasma     - internal 60%   torso 80%   feet 60% 

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    16 former humans
    13 former sergeants
    4 former captains
    8 imps
    19 demons
    4 lost souls
    1 hell knight
    2 barons of hell
    1 arch-vile
    2 bruiser brothers
    1 Cyberdemon
    1 Spider Mastermind

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  On level 11 he arrived at the Containment Area.
  Not knowing what to do, he left.
  He left level 12 as soon as possible.
  On level 14 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
  He left level 17 as soon as possible.
  Then at last he found Dis!
  On level 24 he finally defeated the Mastermind.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
 taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You dodge! You dodge! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You need to
 taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
 taste blood!
 You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You're going
 berserk! You need to taste blood!
 You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind dies. Congratulations!
 You defeated the Spider Mastermind! Press <Enter>...
 You feel relatively safe now.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 14 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 10 of those were killed.

 4 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 3 killed the bitch and survived.

--------------------------------------------------------------

First Id like to thank ParaSait and LuckyDee for the advice to pull this off.

The mortem doesn't show it but this run actually had a number of close calls, including spawning on floor 10 with 8 Shotgunners in front of me, running into 3 Former Plasma Soldiers on floor 14 and spawning on floor 22 surrounded by 4 Revenants, 2 Mancubii, and 2 Archviles (luckily I had a phase device and was in Berserk).  With this done I'm going to finally move onto HNTR, totally not because I can't get anymore badges on ITYTD nope. :3c

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 03, 2013, 07:30 »
Nother question in the vain of Fists and Knives only badge, is a knive something that works with MMB? or is specifically just the combat knife and chainsword?

See the wiki for more information.  The question may be quick, but the answer is anything but.

Also, hahaha I ment like in game mods, like Agility and the like, hahaha, sorry for not being more specific.  I opened your link and was SUPER confused for a second.

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 02, 2013, 10:41 »
I'm just full of curiosity today, so I just read that there used to be an Angle of D&D mode? What was that challenge like?

EDIT: I'm tired of waiting for a response so that I don't double post so I'm just adding it onto here, Can someone break down modding for me?  Like the what can be modded and when?

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 02, 2013, 09:32 »
Yeah my issue was I was in a SharpShooter build and with the level cap of 10ish you get in ITYTD I couldnt get an amazing movespeed.

Two new questions, been reading through the quick question thread and it made me curious about somethings.

1. What does YAFW mean, and is there a glossery of abbreviations somewhere hahaha

2. What's the best way to go about getting the full win with only knives and fists? I'd assume playing on ITYTD would be a way to go about it but outside of MMb (? I think thats the right abbreviation for Malicious Blades) and a really well moded chainsword and/or piercing blade and/or finding the Cleaver I'm not sure how else you could pull it off, of course carring a launcher or something of the sort for bosses is also an option.

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 02, 2013, 07:32 »
Hmm, yeah. That's not easy by any stretch. I'm not sure if I've gotten a full win above HNTR with a pistol build/AoMr.

Hahaha, funny story.  I was playing on ITYTD to get back into the grove of the game.  IDK maybe I'm just bad vov.

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 01, 2013, 15:52 »
2. Shoot at it until it dies.

Edit: I'm sorry if that's not useful, but I think it's worth trying a few times and then experimenting afterward. The easiest way is probably just have a really strong melee build and be able to berserk-steamroll everything.

For what it's worth, I laughed.  Yeah I quickly learned today that he can't be beaten by every build it seems, pistols just can't deal with his unit creation when i went up against him.

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Discussion / Re: Quick questions thread!
« on: October 01, 2013, 13:30 »
2 quick questions:

1. If I skip special stages can I still get 100% kills?

2. What's a couple common strategies for beating extra special secret boss?

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