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Title: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 14, 2012, 17:29
If you run with thieves,
then you die with thieves...

Greetings!

I know, I know my last attempt at Dark Heresy PBF here on Chaosforge was, well, rather miserable, badly mastered and lacking dynamics.
Maybe I even wasn't a good player (apologies especially to Malek for that Hackmaster incident, completely my fault - and Xander, for being far too passive in his PBFs).
I would be proud to say that that was then and now is now, not that anybody cares, but why not give a solid proof instead?

From what I see, at the moment Chaosforge's PBF board isn't the most popular one. Some Dwarf Fotress thingy, Doom: The Adventure and Malek's Hackmaster (forgive meee...).
What I would like to do is try and fill this gap, maybe not entirely, but at least make some traffic out there. And, who knows, maybe, just maybe it will happen to be awesome?

(This is where I tread to the point.)

Recently I had an idea for a Dark Heresy campaign. For those unfamiliar with the game (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/DarkHeresy) I can supply with required materials, but some surface knowledge of the Warhammer 40.000's universe would be required in order to carry on. If you don't have any, don't worry - the materials would have it all, but it is not the smallest piece of text ever written...

The thing is set on a Hive World of Malfi. As seen in Core Rulebook, Malfian Nobility is a bunch of self-absorbed pricks, endlessly plotting against each other. Somehow, Lord Governor of the Calixis Sector manages to look in another direction if something brutal occurs, but this time one of the Noblemen gets accused of financially supporting the local rebellion. The consequences are grim - The Inquisition kicks in and starts the investigation. The air suddenly smells with fire, steel and rotten guts.

How do you delve into such individual's deepest secrets without alarming his peers that they should expect Imperial Inquisition?
This is where you happen to be. The Inquisitor hires a bunch of worst bastards he could find (preferably members of Scum profession, but some others will be tolerated) to get into, blend with and gain support of one of the most numerous criminal organizations of the Underhive, because rumor has it that the leader of the pack is - completely coincidentally, of course - planning on a heist, right in the hypothetical rebel's mansion.

Of course, you are most probably going to die trying, for the Underhive is a really bad place to live in...

There will be some intrigue, some more violent shootouts, and - most of all - some moral dilemmas for those who just buy this kind of stuff. What's the difference between the Crime Lord's attack dog and the Inquisition's attack dog, anyway?

(Hold on, we're almost at the point!)

Do I see anybody willing to participate?

EDIT:
Some useful links:
Shortened combat rules: http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5588.msg49380.html#msg49380
An unusual approach to acquiring skills: http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5588.msg49458.html#msg49458
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on April 15, 2012, 00:35
I have to say it sounds really great; a friend of mine recently got me a copy of the Dark Heresy RPG rulebook, but I haven't read it yet, being too absorbed in Vampire Dark Ages and Requiem at the moment. I would really like to get a feel of it, but:

* I'm completely new to PBF. It smells like RPG, which I've been playing for over 15 years now, but minus the chemistry of face-to-face narrative. I'm afraid it'll be a weak substitute for a great game concept.
* I don't have a lot of game time, which at the moment gets spent on either DoomRL or Vampire. I get to be online on the forum a lot, but - I think - not for long enough to really appreciate an RPG campaign.
* What happens if I can't join in for a day/week/whatever? Do I have a character that will be missing/presumed dead? Or is there just 1 protagonist controlled by all players? (the latter option then being difficult to stomach if you're used to playing fleshed-out characters).

I'm intrigued, but don't know what to think or expect. Convince me, I'd say.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 03:04
OK, I confess I didn'T read the whole OP since I don't have the time right now, but I think I'd be very interested in this - I haven't ever played anything Warhammer 40K related, but I recently (few months ago) got intrigued by the setting and a few wiki binges reading all kinds of stuff about the lore lead to me reading the whole Eisenhorn trilogy, then the Ravenor trilogy. Then all the Gaunt's Ghosts books (there 14 of them? Wow... that's 20 books I've absorbed already). Now I'm beginning with the Horus Heresy series.

So... I guess by this time I'm pretty well versed in the setting, and would love to use this knowledge. I'll read the whole OP later and give you my definite answer, but you can probably count me in.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 04:05
I have to say it sounds really great; a friend of mine recently got me a copy of the Dark Heresy RPG rulebook, but I haven't read it yet, being too absorbed in Vampire Dark Ages and Requiem at the moment. I would really like to get a feel of it, but:

* I'm completely new to PBF. It smells like RPG, which I've been playing for over 15 years now, but minus the chemistry of face-to-face narrative. I'm afraid it'll be a weak substitute for a great game concept.
* I don't have a lot of game time, which at the moment gets spent on either DoomRL or Vampire. I get to be online on the forum a lot, but - I think - not for long enough to really appreciate an RPG campaign.
* What happens if I can't join in for a day/week/whatever? Do I have a character that will be missing/presumed dead? Or is there just 1 protagonist controlled by all players? (the latter option then being difficult to stomach if you're used to playing fleshed-out characters).

I'm intrigued, but don't know what to think or expect. Convince me, I'd say.

Ok, let's go by the order of appearance.

1) PBF is a substitute of regular role-playing, but definitely not a weak one. Maybe there's no, as you called it, chemistry, because all we do is write and there is no real interaction between players themselves, but such form of playing narrative games gives you more time to carefully plan your actions - and describe them better. Instead of excellent acting, you may enjoy building up some decent narration and brush up your writing skills.
2) If you stick to an average of three-four responses a week (writing each taking approximately from five to fifteen minutes, depends on how many previous posts you have to read), it is going to be okay. I think you might just find it rewarding enough.
3) Each player has his own character, as in regular role-playing, whose actions, feelings and thoughts he describes. If you get lost for a while, there will be no problem with slowing down or halting the gameplay until you are ready to catch up again. All you have to do is to tell me that you will be missing for some time. Of course, the longer you'll not be there, the slower will the game roll forward, which means it can die due to lack of interest. After all, it is the responsibility of all the participants to keep it being fun.

Did I answer every doubt of yours?

OK, I confess I didn'T read the whole OP since I don't have the time right now, but I think I'd be very interested in this - I haven't ever played anything Warhammer 40K related, but I recently (few months ago) got intrigued by the setting and a few wiki binges reading all kinds of stuff about the lore lead to me reading the whole Eisenhorn trilogy, then Ravenor. Then all the Gaunt's Ghosts books. Now I'm beginning with the Horus Heresy series.

So... I guess by this time I'm pretty well versed in the setting, and would love to use this knowledge. I'll read the whole OP later and give you my definite answer, but you can probably count me in.

Woohoo, it seems you know WH40k better than I do! :D
I'd be happy to count you in. Do you need a rulebook or something?

I think I can sustain up to six players, with four being a sensible average. Of course, the hard sleepers may join up later.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 04:29
OK, I'm in, if you'll have me. I'm studying whatever I can google that has to do with Dark Heresy rules, right now I'm messing around with this (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/dhadvanced.html?) - that might be useful for all of us, right?


Woohoo, it seems you know WH40k better than I do! :D
I'd be happy to count you in. Do you need a rulebook or something?

Yes, please. While I might have read a lot of WH40K books, I know nothing about the roleplaying game. I think I can learn it pretty fast if you give me something to study.
I don't have a lot of experience in playing pen and paper RPGs, but you can count on me to think little about using the rules to my advantage and rather roleplay my character even if it means a quick death for him.

Scum profession sounds about right for this kind of job, though I was wondering if I could be some sort of an imperial psyker to make things interesting? I'm thinking of a low-level psyker who's been so far avoiding the Back Ships as best as he can. Perhaps I've accidentally ran into the Inquisitor (oops!) who decided he could be... utilized for greater good rather than killed outright. Such peculiar situation would make it easy for me to understand my PCs motivation, though I guess it depends on the character of the Inquisitor (does he have a name?) if he'd allow such a thing.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 04:40
I have not yet decided who'll be your Inquisitor. Probably making one up rather than picking someone from the rulebook.
Unsanctioned psyker? I totally love this idea. Feel free to roll one up using a regular psyker set of rules, then I'll look it up and tell you what there is to change.
(Of course, don't take the Sanctioning Effect roll. No Sanctioned Psyker trait for you!)

I won't mind if you use Inquisitor's Handbook, if you want to. Also, there was a fine fan-made Eldar Outcast set of rules which I'll probably upload along with the rest of materials. But please, no more than one pointy-eared wierdo per party...

Things a-uploadin'. I'll send you some links soon.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 05:13
OK, I came up with this:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/dha-show.php?charnum=40096 (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/dha-show.php?charnum=40096)

I cheated and rolled until I got a high willpower, thinking that a weak-willed unsanctioned psyker would get shoot on sight sure as sure. Luckily since I didn't read the full rules yet, I wasn't tempted to try to get some overall amazing stats and just picked what seemed right and left the rest to chance.

Since I have no imagination and therefore stick to what I know, I based physical appearance on the Tanith (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tanith#.T4qndzJVXh4), deciding that my character left the world before its destruction and wondered the galaxy since, perhaps not even knowing what happened to it. I definitely don't want to play some angst-filled emo who keeps crying for his lost homeworld. The destruction happened in the 40 700s, though, so I'm not sure it's the right period in which we are playing. I guess it can be easily explained by warp shenanigans. Also, I see I've rolled my age without thinking about it, maybe I should be somewhat older to have wondered throughout the galaxy for some time.

Stuff that may need changing: Rank - Sanctionite, Sanctioned Psyker trait, psykana mercy blade and sanctioning brand, though some of these could be perhaps provided by the Inquisitor upon my recruitment.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 05:36
Okay, do like this:
Rank stays as it is. Its only function is to display your current experience level.
You don't get: Sanctioned Psyker Trait, Sanctioning brand.
You get mercy blade handed to you by an inquisitor, just in case you had to kill yourself. Not a shiny Psykana one, just a rusty knife worn on the neck by a kind of leather belt.

Gain +5 to Willpower score (the unsanctionites must have some guts to survive that long) and Forbidden Lore (Warp) (Int), but as a handicap...

Unsanctioned Psyker
Trait
They say a psyker unprotected by blessings of Holy Terra is a gate to the realm of daemons. And they are right.
You have not been embraced by the Emperor's guiding arm, nor have become a subject to sanctioning rituals.
This means every time you use a psionic power, you have to roll an additional die. Its result is not added to the power roll's result, but it matters for purpose of invoking psychic phenomena...

Also, you get only 200xp for your character creation instead of regular 400xp.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 05:46
You get mercy blade handed to you by an inquisitor, just in case you had to kill yourself. Not a shiny Psykana one, just a rusty knife worn on the neck by a kind of leather belt.

Nice. I'll consider that being remarkably lucky. I can't wait to start the game.

Edit: I'm going through this (http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Home.html) right now. If I need to read anything else, just say so.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 06:03
Looks like the complete rulebook made online. Didn't read through it all, but looks legit.

Not sure when we start. I'd like more volunteers first. Two or three would do.

Ah! And paste the character sheet in this thread once you're done. Spoiler tags might come in handy.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 07:19
I'm not entirely sure how/how much to spend XP for talents/skills, I only figured out increasing characteristics. Additionally: since I already have Psy Rating 1, should I choose two minor psychic powers now? Also - the list (http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Support%20Files/Psychic%20Powers/Psychic%20Powers.html) doesn't show the description of most of those, so I guess I'll need a more complete rulebook.

Another thing - I don't think I should get the same income as Sanctioned Psykers, unless the Inquisitor will be so nice as to give me some money each month. I went ahead and rolled for Scum Income, since that sounds like my source of income up to this point. I got scheme, 32 thrones/month.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on April 15, 2012, 07:24
Did I answer every doubt of yours?

I must admit you do know how to plead your case. The discussion going so far sounds interesting enough - I still have Necromunda lying around somewhere, so I'm (more or less) familiar with the background, and I've always been looking for a good sci-fi RPG (so far I've played Warhammer Fantasy, Vampire (the Masquerade and the Requiem, embarking on Dark Ages) and half a dozen stories without platform). If Klear's attitude is anything to go by (ie forget the rules, play the character), I think you can have a pretty solid group of players, too.

Biggest issue for me would be time: I have a fulltime job, a girlfriend and 2 kids to keep happy and other social obligations to fullfil, so to speak. When things get going again, I'll have my weekly Vampire evening Saturdays, and any time I have to spare would currently go to DoomRL. Speaking from experience, however, if you get a compelling story going, it's not that hard to choose not to spend my time elsewhere (Doom in this case).
Needless to say, unless you plan on starting a year from now, I'll definitely not be able to brush up on the rules and backgrounds, and will have to make do with what I know (although I've been told that as with their tabletop counterparts, the rules for Fantasy and 40K RPG are similar).

If you can live with an (initially) casual approach, you can count me in.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 07:36
I'm not entirely sure how/how much to spend XP for talents/skills, I only figured out increasing characteristics. Additionally: since I already have Psy Rating 1, should I choose two minor psychic powers now? Also - the list (http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Support%20Files/Psychic%20Powers/Psychic%20Powers.html) doesn't show the description of most of those, so I guess I'll need a more complete rulebook.

Another thing - I don't think I should get the same income as Sanctioned Psykers, unless the Inquisitor will be so nice as to give me some money each month. I went ahead and rolled for Scum Income, since that sounds like my source of income up to this point. I got scheme, 32 thrones/month.

As for spending xp, each profession has charts for each rank some further in the rulebook. It'll be uploaded in two hours since my upload speed... well, sucks on ice. As soon as it's ready, I'll supply you with a link.

Good job with the income, that's just what I planned to advise you.

I must admit you do know how to plead your case. The discussion going so far sounds interesting enough - I still have Necromunda lying around somewhere, so I'm (more or less) familiar with the background, and I've always been looking for a good sci-fi RPG (so far I've played Warhammer Fantasy, Vampire (the Masquerade and the Requiem, embarking on Dark Ages) and half a dozen stories without platform). If Klear's attitude is anything to go by (ie forget the rules, play the character), I think you can have a pretty solid group of players, too.

Biggest issue for me would be time: I have a fulltime job, a girlfriend and 2 kids to keep happy and other social obligations to fullfil, so to speak. When things get going again, I'll have my weekly Vampire evening Saturdays, and any time I have to spare would currently go to DoomRL. Speaking from experience, however, if you get a compelling story going, it's not that hard to choose not to spend my time elsewhere (Doom in this case).
Needless to say, unless you plan on starting a year from now, I'll definitely not be able to brush up on the rules and backgrounds, and will have to make do with what I know (although I've been told that as with their tabletop counterparts, the rules for Fantasy and 40K RPG are similar).

If you can live with an (initially) casual approach, you can count me in.

Hey, nice to hear that!
Since you don't have much time, we can do it another way.
Ponder for a while and decide what kind of a character would you like to play and I'll make a sheet for you. I can also explain shortly what does what so that you would know, what abilities does your character posess. I can take on myself the development of your character and all the dice rolling, so that you could concern yourself with role-playing only.
I'm completely okay with you approaching it as casually as you need to.

(Actually, I planned to start in about two, three weeks. I've got maturity exams results to fix, because I didn't make the grade last year. No hurries, no worries.)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 08:46
As for spending xp, each profession has charts for each rank some further in the rulebook. It'll be uploaded in two hours since my upload speed... well, sucks on ice. As soon as it's ready, I'll supply you with a link.

Good job with the income, that's just what I planned to advise you.

Great. I think I've pretty much absorbed all I felt was important, I can look up details when they become relevant. I have just one more question for now - fate points are supposed to be replenished each game session. How long will that be in our case? (game time, preferably) I'd like to know how often I can spend these.

Here's my unfinished character sheet. I'll spend my XP and think of changing my possessions later. I'll probably lose the axe in favour of something, since I have a feeling this character doesn't like getting his hands dirty in close combat (unless going around without a melee weapon is a Very Bad Idea).

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 08:52
I plan on dividing our tale into a few chapters. Fate points get replenished at the beginning of every chapter. These won't be long - let's say every major quest or scenario twist gives your FPs back.
 
It is not a bad idea to keep the melee weapon handy, but if you get your combat tactics right, it might not be that necessary.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 09:08
It is not a bad idea to keep the melee weapon handy, but if you get your combat tactics right, it might not be that necessary.

Then I guess I'll rather keep it. While I will probably know most of the basic rules and several obscure ones that are never needed by heart by the time we start, I can't be expected to use that knowledge for maximum combat effectiveness. I tend to roleplay even in the middle of combat, so I guess it's lucky my char has high willpower, or he'd be running away/hiding/surrendering more often than attacking =)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on April 15, 2012, 09:18
Ponder for a while and decide what kind of a character would you like to play and I'll make a sheet for you.

Let's more or less turn that around: let me know what character you need to complete the group once you know what the others will do. Give me basics like a career, walk of life, mission, stuff like that and I'll build a character around it. I think for me it's the easiest way to start in a hitherto unexplored background.

I think I'll manage with the system. Not having looked at the books yet, I'll hazard a guess that the characteristic scheme is more or less the same as WFRPG (M/WS/BS/S/T/W/I/A/Ld/Int/Cl/WP/Fel/crap I still know this by heart), already saw a remark about Fate Points, and then there'll probably be some skills - I think that should about sum it up. And I should be able to look up anything you send my way.

Anywho, clue me in as soon as you know what type of character would suit the group/game best; that should work fine for me.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 11:12
Sure thing.

Yes, the stats system in Dark Heresy is basically the same as in WFRP - except that you have Perception score and no secondary attributes. If you need a strength bonus, you check tens digit of your strength score (i.e. if you have 31 strength, your bonus is 3). The same is true for any other stat. I think it's easy to grasp.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 11:29
I've written a little something about the character in case it's needed. Needless to say, I'd appreciate if the other PCs didn't know that my char is a Psyker. I guess I'll do my best to hide it as long as I can, since it's not the most trust-inspiring trait to have. Thank god I rolled a high Fel score.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on April 15, 2012, 11:32
Good stuff! You might not have the pen-and-paper experience, but you sure know how to lay a foundation for a character.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 11:35
Yes, that is EXACTLY how it's done. Marvelous job!
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 14:54
Thanks.

If I understand it correctly, Psy Rating 1 gives me two Minor Psychic Powers. I'd take Chameleon and Forget Me, since these two sound like something that would be useful in my char's previous life, though Spasm looks fun and Resist Possession could save our collective asses on my unlucky roll. Any advice?

As for spending XP, I'll take +5 WP for 100 and can I have Charm as an Elite Advance for 100xp? I don't care much for the talents/skills available as a 1st rank Psyker, though I could spend this XP on a third Minor Psychic Power, solving the dilemma above.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 15:05
Spend them on another power, since Elite Advances are meant to be rewards for good playing. If I was to advice you, Weapon Jinx, Unnatural Aim or even Touch of Madness is a way to go. I guess you could also make some good use out of Healing.

Don't worry, you'll learn Charm soon enough - I'm going to grant you XPs everytime you do something worth rewarding, so their flow will be rather constant.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on April 15, 2012, 15:30
I was going by the logic of being halfway scum without the sanctioning, besides, I want to use psyker powers as little as possible. I've seen a couple of discussions around the net and the consensus seems to be "shoot psyker PCs in the head while you can", and they are talking about sanctioned ones. In any case, the skill I have my mind set on is Blather and I can get that as a 3rd rank Psyker (if i survive that long), so I guess another power it is.

I've been thinking about Unnatural Aim. Weapon Jinx sounds like something that would force melee fight, which I want to avoid. Touch of Madness sounds nice, but with the threshold of 11 I'd need to make a power roll even when using invocation which is something I'd rather avoid with that additional roll due to the Unsanctioned Psyker trait.

Anyway, I'll think it through tomorrow. Too tired right now.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on April 15, 2012, 15:40
Makes sense, that. Guess I should make you a special development tree for an unsanctioned psyker. You are NOT an Imperial Psyker, after all, right?
I'll think about it soon.

Goodnight.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on April 25, 2012, 12:33
Blegh, having a crappy evening and getting shot by every sergeant I run into only makes it worse. Time to draw up my character for this instead.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on April 25, 2012, 13:21
I'm gonna go with the Origin Path system, using the knowledge I have from playing Necromunda as a basis. As such:

* I'll be a Hive World character, Abhuman preferably (stock to be determined), originating from somwhere in the Underhive
* I'll go for Stubjack as a Birthright, as I grew up in gang life.
* I'll be a Criminal / Wanted Fugitive, found guilty on charges as diverse as theft, armed robbery, assault, murder and anything else the Arbites care to slap on me
* I'll take Press-Ganged for a Trial, fits in nicely with the concept I have in mind.
* I'll go for Pride as Motivation; I'll take the Heirloom effect, but instead of rolling on the table it might be nice if the GM comes up with something appropriate.
* I'll take the Rogue Trader Path; it fits the background I have in mind best.

So, Sil, if you see this, let me know if this fits the bill; in the meantime, I'll work out the character a bit further (more in terms of background than rules). As with most characters I do, I have a general feeling of who he is, though it might take a little time to put in words...
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on April 26, 2012, 08:48
My true name I have left behind after my ascent into the ranks of the Sons of the Iron Star, one of the gangs of House Orlock. Despite my deep blue leathery skin, clearly marking me as an Abhuman, I have been considered a full-fledged member ever since I saved Grek, the gang leader from being shot by one of the Adeptus Arbites – I broke his neck a mere five minutes after my wife and daughter were killed in a raid on our territory, executed by the Arbites in order to root out the Sons. Saving Grek was nowhere on my agenda, but it did immediately provide me with a new home. Sadly, it also sealed my fate as an outlaw and renegade.

From that point on, my distrust in authority developed into a deep-seated hatred, which only served to enable me to easily establish my position with the Sons. I am praised for my composed demeanour and decisive conduct, and for never letting down those who trust in me. I have threatened, I have stolen, I have assaulted and killed – though I have never acted against women or children. I will do anything to protect my people, to feed them and to help them eke out an existence in the barren wasteland that is the Underhive.


To be continued..
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 01, 2012, 14:09
OK, building the character (I'm ignoring skills for the moment, just concentrating on stats). I rolled the following:

WS 36   Int 41
BS 34   Per 37
S  38   WP  42
T  37   Fel 39
Ag 34

* Hive World origin would give me Fel+5 and T-5. I didn't grow up in the Hive itself though, but in the Underhive; I think Per+5 instead of Fel+5 is more likely. I rolled 4 on the D5 roll for Wounds, giving me 2*3+4+1 = 11 Wounds. I rolled a 7 for Fate, which translates to 3 points.

* Stubjack gives me a +5 to choose on WS and BS; I'll take the latter. -5 to Fel though, and 2 Insanity Points (my first low roll, but I'll try hard to go insane during play, promise).

* Being a Wanted Fugitive doesn't modify any scores.

* Same goes for being Press-ganged (Unwilling Accomplice)

* And for Pride too.

For the GM:
* If you have another Path for me that would better fit a Ganger/Scummer, please supply.
* As to my being of Abhuman stock: I had a sort of Lizardman in mind, head shaped like a komodo dragon's but with a dark blue/greyish skin, and more leathery than scaly. I'd propose a Fel-10 / T+10 for this (or maybe and extra Wound instead of the T bonus). Please let me know what you think.

Without the Abhuman modifiers, I'd get:

WS 36   Int 41   Wounds 11
BS 39   Per 42   Fate 3
S  38   WP  42   Insanity 2
T  32   Fel 34
Ag 34

Awaiting response before continuing...
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 02, 2012, 05:25
Works for me, but instead I'd give you -5 Fel and +1 Wounds.
The rest is awesome.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 06, 2012, 04:05
ATTENTION!

We are about to get started in two weeks from now, after I am done with exams. The plot is almost ready.

I hope you didn't forget about me! :D
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 06, 2012, 06:15
Cool, I'll start rounding up the character stats. I have a good view of what kind of person he is, which is most important by far anyhow.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 09, 2012, 03:34
Eep - while clandestinely printing the rulebooks at my office, I've come to the conclusion that I've been basing my character upon the Rogue Trader rulebook (although I also have Deathwatch and Dark Heresy). Background's the same though, and I suspect the same goes for the rules (bit of a shame they require 3* 400+ pages, instead of issuing 1 rulebook and compendiums for the different backgrounds).

Oh well... at least I get to do a bit of quality reading before I go to sleep from tonight on :)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 09, 2012, 09:55
It's okay, really. You may still play that character if you will, without remaking it accordingly to Dark Heresy's rules.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 09, 2012, 12:03
Been reading a bit out of Dark Heresy, but so far I haven't found any differences anyhow. I'll just finish it according to DH (Scum would probably be better than Rogue Trader anyway), and Bob, as it were, is my uncle.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 09, 2012, 12:05
By the by, I can check with the guy who hooked me up with the books: he used to be a regular in our RPG group (but then he got married, haha), maybe he'll want to tag along as well. Doubtful, but I'll give it a shot if you don't mind.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 09, 2012, 12:30
Ha, gladly! More meat for the grinder! More the merrier.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 18, 2012, 13:22
Ok, since I didn't really get that far yet, I took the rolls I initially made and simply transferred these to DH. I went through all the steps described, which got me the following profile (including all bonuses, xp and cash expenditures etc, x-ref'd with '*'):

Name: Lazerus, Hive World Scum

WS 31   Int 39*   Wounds: 12*
BS 37*  Per 32    Fate: 3
S  33   WP  37    Wealth: 11*
T  27   Fel 39
Ag 34*

Skills: Speak Language (Low Gothic), Scrutiny, Dodge, Deceive, Awareness*, Common Lore (Imperium)
Talents: Ambidextrous, Melee Weapon Training (Primitive), Pistol Training (SP), Basic Weapon Training (SP)
Gear: Autogun+autopistol (5 clips)*, brass knuckles, knife, gang wear (poor quality clothing)

Divination: rolled 88 (Int+3)*

Starting Advances: BS+5*, AG+5*, Awareness+10*, Sound Constitution*
Purchases: 3 extra clips* for 3 Thrones*

I more or less gave a short concept of my background; if you want me to elaborate (goes for you as well, Klear), please let me know. Otherwise, you'll get a nice impression during play anyhow; I have more than a hunch of what Lazerus - assumed name, of course - thinks and acts like.

If you need me to do anything else, lemme know, otherwise I'm ready.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 18, 2012, 23:43
OK, for when we get going: how do we separate the in-game talk from whatever we get going on the side?

1) for commands/actions, I've seen things like OPEN DOOR and RELOAD in other threads, which is exactly one of the reasons why I dismissed PBF as lacking soul. If this is what I wanted, I'd be playing Leisure Suit Larry 1 (in full EGA graphics). Additionally, unless you're very sure there's going to be nothing out to kill you on the other side of aforementioned door, you don't 'OPEN DOOR', you 'open the door while taking cover behind the bulkhead to the right of it, looking into the next room along the barrel of my blaster'.
As demonstrated in this example, I'd suggest actions and commands to be displayed in another color; I think green is clear enough to distinguish without being loud enough to get annoying after a while.

Same would go for in-game information supplied by the GM: You see someone in a labcoat, peering over something displayed on a workbench.

2) for things being said in-game, I'd suggest italics and quotation marks: I whisper to my buddy  "Cover me", after which I step out of cover and yell "Let me see your hands RIGHT NOW", blaster pointed at the tech's knees.

I think that covers the basic elements. Lemme know what you think.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 19, 2012, 01:45
Writing your actions in a different color wouldn't be necessary, really. I believe I am able to understand what I read. ;)

I think the best way to separate technical speak from in-game talking would be using spoiler tags. So you go with narration first, and then put a summary in the spoiler. Here's the example:

Vince sat against the barricade's wall, cocking his shotgun and trying not to catch anything from the gunfire overhead.
"Are these all o'yer momma's kids?", he smirked, waiting for the moment when the heavy stubber bastard takes his time to reload.
When the cultist's gun finally stops barking, the assassin will jump out from his cover and pull the trigger as hard as he can.


Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If you want to use colors, sure, help yourself, I am not going to prohibit it as long as they don't kill my eyes.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 19, 2012, 02:11
It's not so much about understanding what you read, as it is about being able to seperate game actions / game talk from the rest of the posts without having to think about it. Especially comes in handy when you need to skim through previous posts looking for that 1 bit of information you need...

The bit with the spoilers works too, but then in the example you still use italics to separate game from banter, don't know if you also intended this for the actual play. Main thing, I think, is that we agree on some uniform way to display the in-game stuff, so as to make distinguishing easier.

This also stems from pen-and-paper RPGs, since it's really easy to blurt out something that your character never would have said or thought of, requiring you to add to your statement that this has been the player speaking instead of the character.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 19, 2012, 06:11
Uniforming it takes away one more way to express your character. Colors can be used to express the tone, emotions, other stuff. Let's stick to using spoilers instead.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 19, 2012, 09:01
Ok, fine with me. How's bout the character? Anything else you need or want changed?
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 19, 2012, 11:27
I guess we are done here...

You may take your time and poke Klear to work faster. ;)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 19, 2012, 11:55
I would have, had I seen him. He's been around though, but not as often as a month ago. Oh well...
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 19, 2012, 12:35
Don't worry. I'm keeping tabs on this thread (getting email updates since it started).

I'm not very active on the forums right now because A) I have a lot work to do recently. Make that had. I've finished all that yesterday. I'll be much more active now, as soon as I sober up (hehe... damn hockey). And B) I've lost the flash (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5682.0.html) I had DoomRL stored on and it seems it might be gone for good. I think it's understandable that I didn't have mood for DoomRL since then.

In any case - I still have to remake the character, since it turned out an unlicensed pskyer would probably be too much to handle, even more so since there will only be two PCs initially (?). Since I'm a lazy SoB, I'll probably take whatever traits and characteristics I can from the one I sketched earlier, just change the psyker stuff to something more managable.

As for the technical stuff/text formatting - I'll take whatever you guys agree on. I'll just throw out one small question - will we open a new thread for the game itselt (if it turns out to be a nice little story, it would be nice to have it all together without any extra baggage) and maybe keep this thread for technical matter unrelated to the current happenings in the game?


To wrap this up - don't worry about me disappearing on you, I'll have my char ready by Monday and I can't wait to start playing.
Gotta go, pub calls =)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 19, 2012, 13:26
Sure, I'm making a new topic for the game.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 20, 2012, 00:59
I've been going through the combat rules yesterday, and even more so than in WFRPG, they strike me as pretty rediculous. I think when combat occurs (which I expect to be on a rather regular basis), the game stops being an RPG and starts wanting to be a computer game. It may very well be nicely balanced, but I think it's heavily overdone and still lacking - take for example the fact that without specific talents/skills you will be unable to pull a pistol's trigger more than once per 3 seconds.

Apart from the tests involved, which I expect the GM to take care of, how strictly are we going to have to adhere to the given system? In my experience, it makes for a much more intense and realistic game when you let go of everything except the basics (to hit rolls & damage calculation), and just work out the results on the fly. This may sound daunting, and requires a little more effort on behalf of the GM, but if you just rely on common sense.

Again, this may very well be different for PBF than for face-to-face RPG; in the latter case you don't want to lose time going through complex rules, since the pace of the game (especially in combat) is extremely important.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 20, 2012, 02:11
without specific talents/skills you will be unable to pull a pistol's trigger more than once per 3 seconds.

Common Sense!
And how do you expect to hit anything without aiming between attacks? This is why you have "one attack per turn" cooldown - because of the assumption you are actually trying to score a hit.

In fact, the combat system is pretty simple (compared to, well, anything except World of Darkness) and fully usable on forums. I can't see why we should change anything in it.
It's not as bad as it looks like. Also, you have just enough time to realize how it works before we go into guns blazing. Ask if you have any questions.

How strict? Not very strict, but still. All the actions described in the rulebook are possible and it's good to know how they work, but feel free to come up with your own ideas on fighting.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 20, 2012, 02:23
I guess we'll see how it goes once the fighting starts. One shot per 3 seconds sounds about right for somebody inexperienced with pistols.
I've yet to read the rules of combat in detail though.

BTW, what is PBF? I keep thinking of Perry Bible Fellowship (http://pbfcomics.com/).
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 20, 2012, 05:26
Pakistan Boxing Federation comes up on top on Wiki :)

I mean Play-by-Forum, so as to differentiate between online roleplaying and pen-and-paper/face-to-face RPG.

And how do you expect to hit anything without aiming between attacks?...because of the assumption you are actually trying to score a hit

Actually, I don't :) But there's a huge difference between having the rules say you can't pull the trigger twice (you can do 2 half actions, of which pulling the trigger is one, but you are 'forbidden' to do the same half action twice) and having the rules say that they don't care how often you pull the trigger, as long as you're prepared not to hit anything. And of course, even in combat there are plenty of reasons not to shoot to score a hit (warning, distraction, pressure, etc).

What I'm trying to say is that by having so much predefined, no matter how well it's worked out and how balanced it is, the gaps/inconsistencies/oddities become embarrassingly obvious, which simply doesn't do the game justice.

(Right now, I'm reminded of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2Z23SAFVA&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLxZ5JhDI_4kTvm3tsmgU_Tw))

It think I already mentioned as much, but I'm completely in love with World of Darkness for its 'engine'. I can't speak for W40K and I know for a fact that I've seen some improvements already, but with WFRPG you could easily get to a stage where you couldn't be hurt by normal enemies anymore and would hit and wound with about every blow you dealt, and that was simply achieved by following the rules. If you wanted a balanced WFRPG campaign you were either forced to backstab the players or pit them against groups of trolls within a couple of weeks of gametime.

Although the systems of increasing characteristics is heavily downgraded, I'm getting the same vibe from 40K. I totally agree on trying it out before making radical changes, by the way, it's just that I wanted to voice this suspicion beforehand.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 23, 2012, 02:45
OK, here's the rerolled character:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/dha-show.php?charnum=40865 (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/dha-show.php?charnum=40865)>
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MkLear, Ganger Scum

WS:  28  BS: 41  S:   29
T:   24  Ag: 34  Int: 26
Per: 30  WP: 35  Fel: 39

Wounds: 12
Fate Points: 1
Insanity Points: 0
Corruption Points: 0
Thrones: 1

Homeworld: Hive World (Tanith)
Career: Scum
Rank: Dreg
Gender: Male
Build: Wiry
Skin Color: Fair
Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Brown
Age: 28
Quirk: You have tattoos.
Hive Class: Ganger Scum
Divination: Mutation without, corruption within.
Starting XP: 100
Starting Package: None

Traits: Accustomed to Crowds, Caves of Steel, Hivebound, Wary
Basic Skills: Tech-Use (Int) (Caves of Steel), Deceive (Fel), Awareness (Per), Charm (Fel)
Advanced Skills: Speak Language (Hive Dialect) (Int), Speak Language (Low Gothic) (Int), Blather (Fel), Common Lore (Imperium) (Int)
Talents: Melee Weapons Training (Primitive), Pistol Training (SP), Basic Weapons Training (SP), Unremarkable
Gear: autopistol and 1 clip, knife, autogun and 1 clip, brass knuckles, quilted vest, street ware (Poor Quality Clothing), wooden dice (memento), lho-sticks
Special Qualities: None.
Family: None

More to come.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 24, 2012, 08:14
Updated character background. You'll note it's the same thing as before, just a little updated. I'm lazy =)

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Lijah MkLear was born on the hive world Tanith, though the moving Nalwood forests are now only a faint memory. Not one to stay in one place for to long, he drifted from planet to planet, moving on whenever his less-than-honourable ways to keep a living made his current residence too dangerous to stay. Rather than to try and confront his problems, he relies on his silver tongue and quick feet before resorting to combat, though he's skilled with both his autopistol and knife if push comes to shove.
Not trusting the imperial authorities, MkLear lives among the lowest ganger scum, making meager living by schemes and frauds. Ironically, that is what caused him to run into an imperial Inquisitor on the Hive World of Malfi. Expecting a quick death at best, he was surprised to get an irrefusable offer to work for the good of the Empire. Not sure whether this means some kind of protection or the greatest threat to his life yet, he accepts the mission, keeping his eyes open to any opportunity to disappear from this sector like he's done so many times before.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 24, 2012, 13:56
Guess we're starting tonight...
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 24, 2012, 14:16
Fire it up! (I'm actually going to bed right now, but I'll sure be keeping plenty of track o' things this weekend :)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 24, 2012, 18:36
...or in the morning. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 25, 2012, 03:27
Since my girlfriend has to work this evening, I'm gonna be at home glued to my computer...


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22:44h, still glued... anyone?
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 25, 2012, 15:35
The writing machine warming up.

It is 00:13. And we are on air.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 26, 2012, 08:52
Since this seems to be a kind of "tech thread", I'm posting my character stats here.
Hell, otherwise, I'm going to forget about them :D

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

EDIT: Forgot to put in starting equipment and traits list. Also, following Silharr's advice, spent some exp. +5 Ag and Awareness trait, now I'm left with 50xp.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 26, 2012, 09:03
Hey, fresh meat! I think we (Silhar, Klear and me) had all banked on starting with just 2 players, but it's nice to have 1 more, as far as I'm concerned. Silhar will have to OK this, since he's the GM, but I'm expecting no trouble there.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 26, 2012, 09:31
Yeah, that's great. The more people the better, I think. I'll be celebrating my dad's birthday this evening, but hopefully I'll be able to join the play thread today.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 26, 2012, 09:47
Also, Tavana mentioned that he might be interested in joining over. Guess the team's a-growin'.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 26, 2012, 10:12
I'll be off to a friends bbq/birthday party within the hour, but I'll check in regularly over the next couple of days (we have Monday off due to Whitsuntide).

@Klear, if you can, please give us a description of what you look like. If we have all the visuals nailed down, I think we can start playing.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 26, 2012, 11:46
Hey, look! I was even bored enough to come up with this crappy backstory of my character!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 26, 2012, 12:51
Yeah, not bad. Not bad.

Only one suggestion, though. If you really want that berserk part in your backstory, we have to change your divination.

The current one is "the wise man learns from the deaths of others (+3 int)". Drop it and write instead "if a job is worth doing, it is worth dying for (gain Frenzy talent)". Just to make your char actually capable of falling into rage.

Cheers.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 26, 2012, 21:58
This is a very very very very hidden and mysterious ability that lies deep within my soul, maybe it has some connection to Daemons, so I don't think it could really classify as a standart Frenzy. And then, my character wasn't really supposed to be able to randomly fall in berserk. The rage completely cannot be controlled on my side and activates only in really bad situations. That happened only once during the life of my character(at least after the amnesia).
I don't really think this background quirk should have any effect on the gameplay, unless we are going to kill players on each bend. But if you still wish, I can change my divination.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 01:41
Although it's technically not necessary, it might be fun if we can be online together from time to time. I'll be home free from distractions both this evening and tomorrow...
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 27, 2012, 03:22
Well, a friend of mine is returning to Prague this tomorrow after spending quite some time in France, so I may be out of commission for some time after that =)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 27, 2012, 06:33
Well, there is always quakenet IRC. We can gather at #chaosforge, if necessary, make our own channel, and talk there. I see this will be fun.

Of course, I do realize that real life is squeezing the time of us all(except me, after Tuesday I will mostly wander around and have nothing to do, unless I'll quickfind a job), but still, try to come if possible ^^

EDIT: Since Silhar asked to not spam OOC stuff in IC thread, I took out all OOC stuff from my messages.
Just notifying you so you won't be all like "WTF where did dat msg go"
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 27, 2012, 07:33
So far I never brought myself to figure out ICR, but it shouldn't be a problem. I'll look into it when I get home.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 07:35
Even without IRC (as is currently being demonstrated) it really helps if we're just online at the same moment. Keeps the game going nicely, and with an IC board, an OOC board and PM, we have means of communication aplenty.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 27, 2012, 08:19
Unfortunately, have to AFK.
See ya later.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 08:23
In that case, let's leave it at this for the moment. I'll have to start cooking dinner soon, and I'd like some more input from Silhar before we really get going.

I'll be on all evening, either playing Doom or keeping tabs on the forum, depending on how many people I find online.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 27, 2012, 08:29
OK. It's nice that we could at last get to know each other's characters. I can already tell that MkLear will get into trouble as soon as the plot starts proper.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 08:33
And maybe sooner :)

As per your post (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.msg48298.html#msg48298):

1) Don't expect to conceal an Autogun easily, especially when you want to maintain enough mobility to sit down/lie down/stand up.

2) Rolling dice for yourself is not required I think; GM will do it for you if necessary. The random element can of course make it very interesting for yourself, and it's by no means prohibited.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 27, 2012, 08:37
2) Rolling dice for yourself is not required I think; GM will do it for you if necessary. The random element can of course make it very interesting for yourself, and it's by no means prohibited.

That's how I figured it out. I was about to write that I "calmly look into the barrel", but then thought maybe he doesn't. How should I know? So I rolled =)

To be honest, if the test didn't work out, I'd still be tempted to write this, but it worked out OK.

RE: Autogun. Got it. This doesn't look like a concealable weapon:
(http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/b/b0/Autogun4.jpg)
I guess I have it strapped on my back or something.

Edit:
And maybe sooner :)

I'm sure that if a fight broke out between the PCs, the Inquisitor would pick just that moment to enter the room and defuse the situation, right? Well, maybe I shouldn't be relying on the rule of drama, but it feels right.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 08:41
I was about to write that I "calmly look into the barrel", but then thought maybe he doesn't. How should I know?

Generally speaking, when your character starts to come alive (in your head, at least), you'll simply know. Others might argue, and you might not always be right, but as long as you go with your gut feeling, you'll at least be true to your character.

I've had characters say and do extremely stupid things because of this, which is actually hilarious since it's the only true course of action :)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 27, 2012, 08:50
Yeah, of course. I suppose it's like any other form of writing, which is something with which I have a lot of experience.

I had a feeling he'd be able to stay calm and RNG agreed, but I'd hate to play too much of a badass. Somewhat more ordinary guys are much more interesting IMO. I'll roll dice whenever I have a feeling I'm writing something I want him to do rather than something he'd do.

Edit: Also, I'm really excited that we've started at last and getting I'm bored now that we're taking a break. I guess it's time to return to playing DoomRL =)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 08:54
I had a feeling he'd be able to stay calm ..., but I'd hate to play too much of a badass.

If you're a ganger, you're going to at the very least have to pretend to be a badass, which amounts to the same thing in the current situation. And yeah, you can tell you write a lot.

Signing out, catch you later.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 27, 2012, 09:06
If you really, really want to roll dice for yourself, use this (http://invisiblecastle.com/) and post links in spoilers.

BTW. I'll post later, now I'm off to church. Cya.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 27, 2012, 09:12
Hey guess what! I am back!

EDIT: Made a turn.
I guess we should now slowly start ending the conversation... or just stop it in a single sentence, whatever will fit more. Then we would resume the game by the moment our dear Inquisitor appears(Silhar, we are looking at you). And, guess what - I have to afk again!
Will be back in half an hour or so.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 27, 2012, 11:22
Take a chill. He'll appear soon... or?
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 27, 2012, 11:30
I have some work to do and then maybe a pub to be now, so if you want to continue with the conversation, you can consider MkLear disinterested in continuing it - smoking and ignoring others (this doesn't mean you should say something to him and then make him look like as asshole for ignoring you though).

BTW, I'm already regretting naming the character with two capital letters. I keep writing it MKlear or Mklear... I guess I'll get used to it in time (or he'll die, either way I win)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 28, 2012, 01:00
Found the IRC. I think HexaDoken was right, especially when you're trying to clear things up, IRC might be a huge blessing.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 28, 2012, 01:30
As per the bit about Awareness (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.msg48347.html#msg48347), fair is fair. It's not about which tests you succeed and which you fail at, it's about doing what your character should be doing.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 28, 2012, 02:17
Also, I _DO_ have Awareness. I just mistook it as a talent rather than a basic skill and posted in wrong category :P Fixed now.

Check page 4 of the thread.

EDIT: Silhar, informing you that we now all have IRC, and I've set up a channel #DarkHeresy on irc.quakenet.org. Altho, the channel is not registered, and if it will be left unpopulated, it will vanish, but hell, whatever. Can be still brought back easily.

As a general request, try to inform about your turns there. My IRC client will make a nice sound signal every time you do, while forums do not. Due to being busy with intence gamworking, I couldn't notice the few turns that were made in time. That is quite dissapointing. I would be easily able to reply if at least one of you dropped a line in chat.

Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 29, 2012, 01:48
@HexaDoken, in regard to your request (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.msg48374.html#msg48374): I don't want to speak before my turn, but there are multiple reasons for this not to make sense. Even if the technology's available:

* We are at a shrine of some kind. I don't expect a terminal to use will be present. You have no equipment with which to do this yourself (or at least it's not listed)
* You are a Guardsman, not a Technician. You have no skills to use whatever terminal may be present. It doesn't make it impossible, but really difficult at least.
* You're from a Feral World. Chances are very high you can't even read/write. Not only that, Feral Worlders have a notorious distrust for technology.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong, but it is highly unlikely. Likewise, you don't have to defend yourself against me, I was just wondering if you are aware of this, as it is quite a big difference between the character on paper and the character in play.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 29, 2012, 02:09
I was quite sure I read somewhere that there is something akin internet in the Warhammer universe, but when I searched for any mentions of it I got nothing. In any case, there wouldn't be anything about the inquisition there even if it existed, I'm sure of that.

Also:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Re: IRC - I recommend to subscribe to the relevant threads, so you can get email notifications when something happens.

Edit: BTW, any news on Tavana or anybody else who might be joining mid-game?
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 29, 2012, 03:25
I have a mini PDA attached to my right arm. Hey, if I would just go to the nearest terminal and start operating with it, that would be too much noticeable, wouldn't it?

Indeed, I am a guardsman, not a technician. That doesn't mean that I can't use terminals whatsoever. In our real life, one doesn't need to be a technician to open a browser and fire up a google search, does he? He won't be actually able to hack Pentagon, but that isn't what I did.
Actually finding something is a different story.

I am from Feral World, yes. But that doesn't mean I can't learn things. And that doesn't mean I distrust technology. That is USUALLY aplicable to feral worlders, but not always.
Honestly, my world isn't really Feral. But the Feral type was the closest one. My world isn't populated enough to be a Hive, my world is too harsh to be Imperial, and my world is certainly not Void born. I think it stands somewhere inbetween Feral and Imperial.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 29, 2012, 03:51
Ok, clear - I was just wondering...

In our real life, one doesn't need to be a technician to open a browser and fire up a google search, does he?

Don't forget that, like Silhar said, we are living in a technological Dark Age. Don't take anything for granted...

[EDIT] Tech-Use is an advanced Skill (so impossible to do without training)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 29, 2012, 10:03
By the way, I'd like to stress that I'm not saying this stuff to annoy you. I'm trying to get a feel for the background (I've never played 40K before, just picked up some random stuff from others) and if something happens that I think is unlikely, I'll simply say so. You'll never catch me saying "I am right" or "You are wrong" when it comes this. I want you to do the same with me, because if there's anything that can be really frustrating story-wise, it's false expectations.

Just so you'd know.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 29, 2012, 11:16
The GM comes to clear some things up, because we are a little bit messed up here, from what I see.

First things first.
I asked you to write posts not describing any actions in THIS thread. So...

Darn, you awarded Klear 50 exp for something I thought about as well :/

And hey, why not? Computers exist around(and you cannot deny that - I know a bit more than nothing about WH40K world), so I thought that there muse be... well, not Internet but rather some kind of database network around to hack in and search there. I can of course bet that Inquisitors try to get rid of any information about them in theese kinds of databases, but hey, still worth a try.
Some tech that provides means of quick signal travel also exists most probably - if not, how'd you think a single commander would be able to somewhat quickly operate a large army of Space Marines on the battlefield? Radio? Most probably. But hey, it's possible to build a kind of internet using radio(lol).
And the fact that we are on a spaceship doesn't mean anything. Relays can exist here as well. Spaceships ARE able to communicate with each other in midflight. Somehow.
But honestly, that doesn't matter much, since I've failed my Int roll and turned to be not smart enough to be able to use Google.


Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what the hell is THIS?!

Second one coming up.
I think we are a little bit unclear on the game's universe. Let me explain.
The 41st millenium is when man is surrounded by technology - but this makes him feel lost and supressed. The Imperium is vast and overcrowded. No wonder that we took a great fall if it comes to education and common knowledge. We even got people to believe that machines have souls within them! The majority of Imperial citizens is illiterate. Simple farmers only know how to operate tractors - wrong! How to appease the iron bull's spirit and convince him to harvest! - but nothing more. There is no Internet, there is no global network - hell, people are so poor that only those at higher places can afford "thinking machines", and even those have no idea how things work!
There is no Pentagon. There is no Facebook - what do you expect, maybe the Old Man, The Emperor himself has his own Facebook page, with status reports like "still sittin' on tha damn golden throne" over and over?
To keep things short and simple - imagine Imperium of Man as a vast land of advanced technology and pure Dark Ages mindset. People are close-minded and afraid of anything that is new to them. Since most of them don't even leave their homeland till the day they die, everything is new to them.
Then there's a note to HexaDoken - your character is a feral worlder. What does that mean? Well, pretty much that you were born in some backwater jungle among tribal people, you might believe in ancestors, maybe wear bones of fallen enemies or believe that orange is the color of danger and disaster, or even bow only to the rule of the strongest. You are as prejudiced as man can be. They took you from your bushes and put you right in the world of metal birds and magic sticks spitting flame. You are tensed, afraid and unsure. Forget your internet-surfing thing, this just doesn't fit the mood. Thank you.
You might have that PDA of yours, of course - but it is nothing more than a strange decoration for you. I suppose it doesn't even work.

Third one - I have no feedback from Tavana for now, but my girlfriend is currently pondering on joining our crew. The thing is, she is kinda sceptic and unsure if her language skills are well enough.

That's all for now.

Ah, BTW. We had some mechanical issues there. Yeah, if you want to tinker with some shiny tech-gizmos, you need Tech-Use (Int), which is an Advanced Skill. This means you can't roll checks if you don't have it (Hive World people have it better because they count Tech-Use as basic, so they can roll it even being unskilled, with half their Int, rounded down.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 29, 2012, 11:22
I asked you to write posts not describing any actions in THIS thread. So...

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what the hell is THIS?!

Stuff happening around or because of our actions, I guess. It's not IC/in-game stuff, anyhow...

You might have that PDA of yours, of course - but it is nothing more than a strange decoration for you. I suppose it doesn't even work.

Now there's an interesting plot device... Have it suddenly play Beethoven's Fifth when we're lying in ambush or something :)
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 29, 2012, 11:41
Now there's an interesting plot device... Have it suddenly play Beethoven's Fifth when we're lying in ambush or something :)

Lucky, you had to spoil my plans, hadn't ya? :P
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 29, 2012, 12:22
I've seen my fair share of sneaky GMs with evil surprises.

Most of these GMs were me, mind you.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 30, 2012, 23:02
Ooookay okay okay, failed that, okay. Let me just cut it out and pretend that never happened :P

But I still have to disagree about something. My character is feral worlder. Does that mean that I was born in a jungle or something, countless parsecs away from civilization? Pretty much yes. Does that mean that I am some idiot who believes in shaman rituals? NO.
I was BORN in feral world. But I didn't live there all the way up til' this very moment of story. I live in this sort of civilization for quite a while, and it is quite possible that I got used to it all, and I changed. Would I be surprized to see a feral worlder easily operating with machinery, knowing that this guy arrived to civilization like three days ago? Pretty much damn yes. Would I be surprized to see the same picture, but knowing that this feral worlder already spent a nice share of time living with technology? Not at all. Life changes people, ya know?

But note about Dark Aeg of Technology taken. I'll just cut that PDA out of story.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 31, 2012, 02:40
Hmmm... I disappear for almost two days and still no new development... At least I didn't miss anything.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 31, 2012, 03:19
Ooookay okay okay, failed that, okay. Let me just cut it out and pretend that never happened :P

But I still have to disagree about something. My character is feral worlder. Does that mean that I was born in a jungle or something, countless parsecs away from civilization? Pretty much yes. Does that mean that I am some idiot who believes in shaman rituals? NO.
I was BORN in feral world. But I didn't live there all the way up til' this very moment of story. I live in this sort of civilization for quite a while, and it is quite possible that I got used to it all, and I changed. Would I be surprized to see a feral worlder easily operating with machinery, knowing that this guy arrived to civilization like three days ago? Pretty much damn yes. Would I be surprized to see the same picture, but knowing that this feral worlder already spent a nice share of time living with technology? Not at all. Life changes people, ya know?

But note about Dark Aeg of Technology taken. I'll just cut that PDA out of story.

Listen up. I am not much of a psychologist, but even to me it is obvious that your childhood, your place of birth and all that affects your character. Also, you couldn't just leave this place (if not the inquisition, perhaps), because how would you afford it? Space travel in WH40k is not something anybody can have.
Also, believing in shamanism is not idiocy. It's just an another opinion about the world, maybe right somewhere, maybe wrong somewhere else, but not entirely wrong.

Klear: I've been a little busy. Will try to fix that today, provided I have an opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 31, 2012, 03:24
Klear: I've been a little busy. Will try to fix that today, provided I have an opportunity to do so.

Yay! Feed us!
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on May 31, 2012, 11:04
Hey, this is my character after all. I realize that I derped with PDA, but I don't want my character to be affected by such things as "hey lol u feral worlder u fear machinery". As told before, I only chose feral world because it fit the most for my character set... but not quite.

On a completely unregarded note, believing in shamanism is not idiocy, yes. Besides, keyword in that sentence was "I'm not an idiot", not "I do not believe in shamanism and therefore I'm not an idiot" or something.

Also, you couldn't just leave this place (if not the inquisition, perhaps), because how would you afford it? Space travel in WH40k is not something anybody can have.

Hmm... let me see. I am a skilled mercerenary who spent most of his life doing all kinds of dangerous work. Perhaps, I caught someone who carried absurdly huge amount of money for no particular reason, sneaked up, backstabbed him, took the money and run away pretending that nothing ever happened?
You know, that might actually work. At least once. It's not that I space travel each day after all.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on May 31, 2012, 11:41
Quote
Third one - I have no feedback from Tavana for now, but my girlfriend is currently pondering on joining our crew. The thing is, she is kinda sceptic and unsure if her language skills are well enough.
This is me. Hi, I'll try to be nice! ^^

@Hexa.
Protip: "Dear GM, is there any way I could have this?" might give you answer like "yes, maybe if..."
"No, this is my character, he know this, he have this, I want it!" will give you "NO."
;) [<-- I'm doing my best, see? :3]

Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on May 31, 2012, 11:54
This is me. Hi, I'll try to be nice! ^^

Hi, and welcome. As you showed, Silhar has already told us about you. I'm very curious as to what you will be able to bring to the game. Enjoy!

I only chose feral world because it fit the most for my character set... but not quite.

You're right in thinking that not everything in your background has to be stereotypical, but it's also not preferable to stray too far from the concept. In this case, however, I think it can also be said that you have two worlds of origin: the one you were born on and the one you 'woke up' on after your amnesia kicked in good. I think you woke up on a feral world, but were probably born on an imperial or hive world, which would explain a lot. How does that sound?

*stuff about space travel* You know, that might actually work. At least once. It's not that I space travel each day after all.

This is indeed the spirit: if you can make a good story out of unlikely or seemingly impossible things, you can add some real inspired pieces to your background. And as you also already noted yourself, best not to make too much of these strange developments appear.
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 31, 2012, 12:08
@Sylith

Hi! I hope you enjoy it here.

@HexaDoken

You know, I'm beginning to regret that I didn't think of making a primitive superstitious character - think Sulik from Fallout 2. Sounds like fun to roleplay. Maybe after my MkLear's inevitable demise...
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on May 31, 2012, 16:29
Behold, my childer, for the wall of text arose before thee!

And now, we have some matters to settle. Don't we?

HexaDoken. I see what you did there. Your character's vision is straying far from what you did get. How about you caught me on IRC and we talked it through? I'll help you make another one, better fitting your needs. No penalties, no bullshit, just making a character you would like to play. So?
And... yeah, sorry if I've been too offensive or too strict. Just remember that every matter can be settled if approached softly. Alright?
Title: Re: [looking for volunteers] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on May 31, 2012, 16:41
Behold, my childer, for the wall of text arose before thee!

Going to sleep now, but I'm sure to ponder the reply for some time. So many questions... I just wonder if some of them are best left unasked.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 01, 2012, 04:03
I assume HexaDoken's outfit is not one that will not stand out in an Underhive society.

Welp, I obviously wear Guard Flak Armour that was included in my starting gear(altho helmetless). I did my best to hide any Inquisition marks that were present on it, but a skilled eye might still able to identify it as a Guardsman Armor, and ruin the day for me.

Yet I can always leave it(or sell, if possible) or pretend that I just stole it. Nifty stuff.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 01, 2012, 04:10
Oh sure, obtaining new outfits should be no problem for any of us. I just want to see Van Bohr's response, see how far he's prepared this :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 01, 2012, 06:34
Yet I can always leave it(or sell, if possible) or pretend that I just stole it. Nifty stuff.

Or maybe sell you? =) At least temporarily.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 01, 2012, 06:43
Sort of rent him out, charge per hour, like? Good plan :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 02, 2012, 10:06
"Well then you two can be drones, if that's what you do best. I intend to make a good impression."

Nice, motormouth :)

It's gonna be 2 drones and their wounded buddy then I guess, unfortunately knocked unconscious by an unexpected blow to the head with an autogun.... Mine.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 02, 2012, 10:09
Hey, we're all gonna die anyway. I want to die with style.

(this is the OOC thread I hope, no way would I say that out loud)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 02, 2012, 10:38
You foreigners and your funny ways. I don't want to die at all.

We'll see...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 02, 2012, 11:42
Good to see that we are beginning to assert dominance here. I'm trying to grasp what Lazerus' view on this situation would be. He's not a born leader himself, but he is used to being a trusted source of advice back home. He only speaks up of his own accord when he feels something vital is being overlooked, as is currently the case.

Having his word dismissed so easily by sheer arrogance is a whole new experience. Good thing he's cold-blooded... for now at least. This will definitely not be forgotten.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 02, 2012, 11:44
Heh... well, MkLear isn't a born leader either, but he likes to talk a lot. Besieds, I think he thinks that getting some semblance of control over the situation wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 02, 2012, 11:48
Heh... well, MkLear isn't a born leader either, but he likes to talk a lot.

Until your lack of leadership is proven with wrong decisions or such, talking a lot is actually more or less the same as being a leader. It's about having the last word I guess.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 02, 2012, 12:09
BTW, I have a technical question - how does XP spending work? Can we get new skills/whatever whenever we have enough XP, does it have to be out of action, or do we have to have time to e.g. go to a practice range and learn to shoot a laspistol?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 02, 2012, 14:56
Can we get new skills/whatever whenever we have enough XP

Usually yes, provided it's something you've been demonstrating along the way. In your case up until now, anything involving Fel tests should be eligible. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 02, 2012, 15:49
Normally I'd demand out from you to at least justify how the skill was gained or spend some time practising it. But since it is a PBF, I allow that illogical computer game xp-spending model, when you spend shiny points to pull your skills right from the sleeve, so expect wonders like people learning how to read in a second or grabbing a gun they have never shot before and pulling a headshot right away...

I'll try to post in a while, answering several of your PCs' questions and describing the rosette a bit more. Thanks for the effort, Lucky! Sometimes I need to be reminded to make more complex describing, because this is the part I often forget.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 03, 2012, 03:47
Well, I'm used to asking for more sensory input if I feel it's not been described enough, so it's all fine by me. I think this works best as well, since not everyone focuses on the same things.

Let me add by the way that I'm thoroughly impressed with the way things are going so far. The plot isn't really original, but that doesn't make it any less compelling, and the interaction between PCs and environment as well as amongst the PCs themselves is pretty great. Keep it up!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 03, 2012, 03:51
I'd say the plot hasn't even really started yet, so it's too early to judge. I'm really enjoying myself so far...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 03, 2012, 03:55
Plot might not be exactly the right word. I mean the main storyline, offer you can't refuse/suicide mission infiltrating in gang bit...

But like I said, it makes for good playing. With my RPG group, I'm a GM more often than I'm a player, and it took me over 10 years to find out that it's really incredibly hard to do an original story that makes for a compelling game; much harder than basing it on something that's been done before and taking it to other heights from there.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 03, 2012, 04:44
If you really have to know this, I was inspired by "For A Few Dollars More" with Clint Eastwood. :C
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 03, 2012, 05:15
For a Few Thrones More...

Re XP: Good to know that we have freedom in this, though I'll try not to abuse that. That said, I would like to... ech, nevermind. I can't get Deceive +10 until I'm Outcast level...

Edit: And if all goes according to plan, by that time I will have bullshitted (bullshat?) my way through several people so I'll probably deserve it.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 03, 2012, 05:57
So, here I am again, albeit an hour later than planned - je m'excuse... I hadn't really given much thought to my actual advance scheme, I'm just going to follow a general Marksman/Sniper course. Let's see what that would mean stat/traitwise...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 05, 2012, 07:44
Under the influence of all the IRC talk about HexaDoken's character, I've pretty much created another character in my head already. I hope it won't make me play too suicidally. I guess it will be best if I dedicate this energy to fleshing out MkLear's background history.

Also, if someone wanted to join during play and for some reason couldn't figure out who to play as, I could give this character idea to you, though creating a character is quite fun, so I don't know why somebody would want to be cheated out of it like this.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 05, 2012, 12:06
Whatever. You. Do. Keep. MkLear.

I'm loving him, simply because although we share part of our background (generally speaking), we're playing two completely different characters, who will probably end up actually clashing on more than one occasion. Plus, with you trying so hard to insult me, I obviously couldn't let you leave without settling the score :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 06, 2012, 04:54
It seems (and it's probably inevitable) that the conversations in the IC thread are branching somewhat, since everybody posts when they have a time. I guess we should pretend that the conversation follows some normal flow even though it's broken up with people talking to everybody else all the time.

Edit: Also, we should do that thing like when Lazerus interrupted MkLear's speech more often.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 05:15
Agreed. It's really all about playing out the story inside your head, somewhat like reading a book or watching a movie. When actions are bound to overlap, you should simply say so. If we can't agree, Silhar can either decide or have us roll something.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 06, 2012, 07:08
Rofl, you have a fighting here already and I was nappin all the time :D
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 07:27
Glad you're awake :)

And yeah, a situation like this was more or less inevitable. It's probably not the last time we'll clash either. And though I don't want this to disrupt the overall game, I do have to play true to my character though - and I assume you remember the IRC discussion we had about pride... :S

It's all fun and games until someone loses a testicle - then it's a sport.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 06, 2012, 07:31
I was aiming for unstable team dynamics from the start... good to see it's all coming together =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 11:48
Out of curiosity, since I think this is going to make a wonderful story, is anyone not involved in the campaign keeping track of what's happening here? I always perform better in front of an audience ;)

I actually sent the links to both the IC and the OOC to one of the guys from my RPG group, and I think I'll send them to the others too.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 06, 2012, 11:56
Out of curiosity, since I think this is going to make a wonderful story, is anyone not involved in the campaign keeping track of what's happening here? I always perform better in front of an audience ;)

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 06, 2012, 12:22
If we ever get this finished, I'm going to combine all the posts in a one big .doc file and send it to a couple of my friends. But not now.
They hate when I show them something that is WIP.

So peoples, try to make this an interesting story!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 12:24
Watch this: I'm gonna set a trap...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 14:22
"The red one detonates the collar. The green one releases it", the man in red robes explains. "Use it in case he tries this again."

Oh you fiend :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 14:33
This is a nice move from the player/character point of view by the way. As a player, I'm outraged that I'm the one on the receiving end of this, instead of both us with HD holding the triggers for example.

From the character's point of view: Lazerus is pissed as hell, but refuses to let his emotions get the best of him. Instead he masks this with another emotion:

And grinning as he looks at MkLear...

Had all be fine, he would have gone for the blank stare again. Watch for these things in Lazerus, since it might help in reading him while I try to play him as emotionally dead as possible.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 14:49
@Silhar: About earning xp for good roleplaying, what are your ideas there? As you just demonstrated on a second occassion (since this incident was purely based on character interaction), xp will follow out of actions taken. But what about the general portrayal of characters?

And yes, part of why I'm asking is because I put a lot of thought in every post, forcing myself to see the situation through Lazerus' eyes if I feel I'm not hitting the right chord... I'd do this even if there's no xp to be earned, but for others (generally speaking) awarding xp say after each chapter might be an incentive to do the same, from which in the end the story would really benefit.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 06, 2012, 14:56
What are my ideas on awarding good roleplaying? Well, one of my ideas you've just seen. I award interesting (from a role-playing point of view) actions right away with small amounts of points. In PBFs it's much more effective than dealing them out at the end of the chapter.

Is it okay with you?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 15:09
Yeah sure, I was just wondering what more tricks you might have up your sleeve.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 06, 2012, 15:15
Enough for me to need my mom to sew me up some additional sleeves to my jacket. ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 15:17
Niiiiiiiiice :P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 06, 2012, 20:58
If we ever get this finished, I'm going to combine all the posts in a one big .doc file and send it to a couple of my friends. But not now.
They hate when I show them something that is WIP.

So peoples, try to make this an interesting story!

Actually, I'm thinking of compiling this game into a short story if it proves to be interesting enough. You might want to wait for that before presenting it to your friends...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 06, 2012, 23:31
As a player, I am outraged with the collar situation as well. Mainly by the fact that I'm totally left out of it :P

On the other hand, since I play as the "don't care about what happens around" type of character, I shouldn't expect getting into it.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 06, 2012, 23:58
I shouldn't expect getting into it.

I don't think any one of us expects you to either. Having said that, it could of course be hilarious when all of a sudden you make some kind of move with this (eg make the remote 'disappear', use my neck to blast open a locked door), especially because no one would expect it :)

Although it's all a matter of thinking 'what would your character do with this'. By the way, as we were discussing previously, do you intend to keep the name HexaDoken for your character as well? I'd like to call your characters by his name, also in OOC posts, but using the same name for both can be really confusing.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 07, 2012, 02:11
Although it's all a matter of thinking 'what would your character do with this'. By the way, as we were discussing previously, do you intend to keep the name HexaDoken for your character as well? I'd like to call your characters by his name, also in OOC posts, but using the same name for both can be really confusing.

That's why I'm MkLear is calling him Hex. The fact that one of the potential important NPCs's name is Hax is just a coincidence, which (I hope) can at some point create some measure of confusion.

@HexaDoken You'll get your chance to shine later, I'm sure of that. Also, woo! 1000 thrones! Let's get wasted.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 07, 2012, 05:53
The prices around make me think that thrones are far not the smallest unit of money in this world. If possible, I'd like to know how much, let's say, dollars is a single throne worth. So I could have a general idea how much non-gameplay stuff I can buy(for example, if I can spend the abovementioned throne on some beer for me and my newly aqquired friends.)

Have a look here:

http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Support%20Files/Armoury/Armoury.html (http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Support%20Files/Armoury/Armoury.html)

There's an explanation of the Throne currency and down are links to lists of how much whatever costs.

Amasec (http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Support%20Files/Armoury/Drugs/Amasec.html) is AFAIK the alcohol of choice in the WH40k universe. I suppose this is a cost for a whole bottle. A glass or two in a pub ought to be a little cheaper.

BTW, you could get 1000 bullets for 50 thrones. I wonder if drinks are expensive or bullets cheap...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 07, 2012, 06:45
It's a lump of sad truth about this world, but bullets are cheaper than food.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 07, 2012, 07:59
MkLear gets awarded with 20xp

Stop this, you're making the rest of us look bad ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 07, 2012, 08:06
By the way, @Silhar, I'd like to continue the IC thread, but it feels like something's missing. Maybe I'm just getting the info wrong, or are we supposed to exit along the same way that Van Bohr came in through? Please elaborate.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 07, 2012, 08:36
Yes, there is just one way out from the shrine, this way being the door behind you. You've spent some time on the ship already so your characters know how to get to the spaceport. Just declare you'd like to go there and it will be cool.

On XPs - don't worry, you'll catch up with him eventually. I'm not favorizing anyone.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 07, 2012, 08:43
Good, you already had me wondering how we were going to find 'A3' when none of us are able to read :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 07, 2012, 08:51
On XPs - don't worry, you'll catch up with him eventually. I'm not favorizing anyone.

I was talking to Klear, of course ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 07, 2012, 11:54
I assume we're off to dock A3 now...

Amen.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 08, 2012, 00:06
I've started drawing up a plan of spendin my xp, based on the socially impaired scout/marskman type (scout fits the bill better than sniper does), so in this regard:

* We started out with 400 xp, which I've spent. Does this mean that after the next advance I take (since 100xp is the minimum to spend) I'll rise to the second rank in my career path, and as such can choose the advance after that from both the Dreg and Outcast categories? Although to me this makes sense, I contradicts the fact that Sound Constitution is listed both in the Dreg as in the Rogue advances, at 100 and 200 xp respectively...

* Although this is still very far away: Under the Rogue advances, Sharpshooter is listed, for which Deadeye Shot is required. However, Deadeye Shot is not included in any advance scheme... Is this a flaw in the rulebook, or am I missing something?

I'll just make a list of advance that are worth consideration in the light of the concept I have; in that case, once I get to spend some xp, I can simply pick the one from the list that has been most prevalent up until that point.

Oh and Klear/HD: in regard to spending money, take heed of the Craftsmanship modifiers listed on pp127+128 of the Dark Heresy book. Better weapons cost more (x3 or x10), are easier to handle (+5 or +10 to BS) and harder to get (GM's discretion I guess). On the other hand, poor quality costs less (x0.5) and shoots worth shit (-10[!] to BS). You get one with every Happy Meal, though.

Silhar, I assume the weapons we have so far are of 'common' Craftsmanship...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 08, 2012, 03:04
UHHHHHHHHHHH

Dear LuckyDee, you said that I returned the last throne to Van Bohr, but actually I didn't. I just decided to gift it to the random stranger I see for lulz, but I didn't yet. Just to point out a logical flaw in your post.

To buy a weapon, you must roll for it's availability. It is an Inquiry test(basic Investigation skill, fellowship(oops I have 19 fel and no skill)), and it gains bonuses or penalties from 3 factors.
1) Item's availability. Each item has it's own availability - higher it is, more bonus you get, lower it is, more penalty you get.
2) Population of community in which you search for the item. Searching in a 10,000+ people city will give us a nice bonus of +20, while searching in a community of less than 100 people will give us a -10 penalty.
3) Item's craftmanship. Poor is +10, Common is 0, Good is -10 and Best is -20.

But of course GM can change all that. Honestly, with my 19 fellowship and no inquiry skill, my chance of finding a common item of poor quality will be 50% at best.
THATS A BIT TOO SMALL, DONT YA THINK?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 08, 2012, 03:35
Dear LuckyDee, you said that I returned the last throne to Van Bohr, but actually I didn't. I just decided to gift it to the random stranger I see for lulz, but I didn't yet. Just to point out a logical flaw in your post.

Oh, I misunderstood then... I'll edit the post.

Honestly, with my 19 fellowship and no inquiry skill, my chance of finding a common item of poor quality will be 50% at best. THATS A BIT TOO SMALL, DONT YA THINK?

Yes I do. That's why we have 'Motormouth' MkLear with us. :)
The fact that you are the one who wants to buy an item, doesn't mean that you have to be the one to do the actual purchase.

In fact, I was aiming for the IC thread to take a turn towards us getting to know each other on a professional level; it should soon become obvious that both MkLear and Lazerus are from Hive worlds themselves, and thus know their way around. This gives you ample opportunity to turn this knowledge to your advantage, for example where shopping is concerned.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 08, 2012, 05:28
/me calculates

60%. Not much actually.

I'm still thinkin of my role in the team. Most probably I'll just be the main source of brute force. But I'm still thinkin :P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 08, 2012, 05:42
You're miscalculating by the way: the table only runs up to 'Easy', for a +30 modifier. There's also 'Very Easy' (+40?) and 'Automatic' (sic). So with availability Plentiful and population <100,000, a poor quality item is still automatically available, generally speaking.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 08, 2012, 05:50
Well, I want to buy a revolver and ammo which is both automatic success (AP rounds are scarce, but I can live without them I guess).

I'm worried about the flak jacket I really really want. It's average, so +20, half of my Fel is 19, so I'll roll against 39, not the greatest odds. I think we should make a list of what everyone needs and then split up and search individually, so that each of us can roll for availability (if that is how it works).

Edit: Hmm... I might even get a compact revolver. It might be useful to be able to easily sneak a wepon wherever relatively easy.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 08, 2012, 05:55
I think we should make a list of what everyone needs and then split up and search individually, so that each of us can roll for availability (if that is how it works).

I understand what you're saying, but that's playing the rules instead of the story. I'm not saying it couldn't be a valid move from the story's perspective as well, you generally just shouldn't think like that.

Since this is about our starting gear and we won't likely have any exotic wishes, I think we'll get some leeway from Silhar anyhow.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 08, 2012, 06:07
Well, it makes sense from both perspectives and it's not a big deal. Additionally, while MkLear and Lazerus may have a greater chance of finding the stuff, it's still up to chance, and it would be hilarious if it was HexaDoken who finds the more rare items.

Edit: First we have to get planetside anyway, and get our instructions from the guards at the dock. Also - maybe we'll need some place to stay, some base of operations? We should leave some money for that, and/or for some unexpected expediences. We'll see when we get there, I guess.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 08, 2012, 06:24
maybe we'll need some place to stay, some base of operations? We should leave some money for that

Hadn't thought of that yet, but doing so, I don't think 1000 thrones is going to cover it. Buying real estate of any kind with that money is out of the question, and somehow I think this isn't like Dungeons and Dragons, where you just hop by the nearest convenient inn (although if anyone sees 'Hotel & Spa' signs along the way, please let me know). Although now I see the book (p152) does provide a list for this.

It also depends on where we land I guess. If we start out in the 'normal' Hive areas (the factory floors, so to speak), we should be able to find some I guess. I don't expect the same kite to fly in the Underhive, though...

It's agreed that we don't have to spend all our money at once, though. Like I said, if we each make lists of what we think is necessary and/or convenient, we'll have something to discuss.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 08, 2012, 06:30
"You're a grunt, right? What sort of outfit were you with?" <- eh, don't really understand the question. What kind of 'job' I did in military? Well, umm, grunts? The guys that run around and shoot people and are mostly used as cannon fodder rather than actual fighting force.

Can you hop on IRC btw? It will be easier to discuss things.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 08, 2012, 13:39
* We started out with 400 xp, which I've spent. Does this mean that after the next advance I take (since 100xp is the minimum to spend) I'll rise to the second rank in my career path, and as such can choose the advance after that from both the Dreg and Outcast categories? Although to me this makes sense, I contradicts the fact that Sound Constitution is listed both in the Dreg as in the Rogue advances, at 100 and 200 xp respectively...

* Although this is still very far away: Under the Rogue advances, Sharpshooter is listed, for which Deadeye Shot is required. However, Deadeye Shot is not included in any advance scheme... Is this a flaw in the rulebook, or am I missing something?

Silhar, I assume the weapons we have so far are of 'common' Craftsmanship...

1) Yes, that's what it is. When you spend another 100 xp, you'll become Outcast and you will be able to pick skills/traits from both charts.
2) As for the Sharpshooter, there is a mistake, for the trait shouldn't have these requirements at all.

And yes, all the weaponry you have is of common crafting.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 09, 2012, 07:53
Check out the who's (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php?action=who), we've had about 15 guests reading the IC thread the past half an hour. You're getting famous, Sil :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 09, 2012, 08:03
Whoa.. I'm always filtering the list to show members only, so I missed that. Cool.

If they are enjoying reading the game just half as much as I enjoy playing it... then I enjoy it twice as much as them.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 10, 2012, 17:39
Hi there,


I'm a friend of Lucky and decided to join the group. Silhar was kind enough to allow the character I created into the game. Hope it will be lots of fun!

Esther
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 10, 2012, 23:17
Yo.

In case you didn't read the thread, there is an IRC channel dedicated for this rpg. The server is irc.quakenet.org, the channel is #DarkHeresy. I didn't register it yet so if you will join when noone is there you might even get OP status :P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 10, 2012, 23:48
Hi Es, nice to have you around. At least until you start stabbing people ;)

Mercerenary then speaks even more quiet, so only Lazerus who is standing behind him can hear - "However, what I'm currently more interested in is who is that guy who has been following us for quite a while already?"

I decided to roll a dice to see if my hunter instincts are enough to notice our newcomer. An opposed test would be more right, but since I don't have Esther's character sheet, I just rolled a standart Perception test.
20 out of 40 required, ha. You might think HexaDoken didn't notice you, but it doesn't mean it's true.

Let's let Silhar be the judge of that; it might well be that we indeed have no clue, since what Esther first described is player info, not character info.

Although, come to think of it, Lazerus has the Awareness skill, as does HexaDoken (and MkLear as well, probably). I think we thus actually have a pretty good chance of detecting something's wrong, though this is still Silhar's call, not ours.

@Silhar, unless you decide differently of course...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 11, 2012, 00:04
Is that how it works? I also thought Silhar would decide who has the stats to notice me, I do have the advanced skill of Shadowing. Not that it makes much of a difference if you noticed me or not, the outcome will be quite the same.....

Damn Lucky, you know me toooooo well ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 11, 2012, 01:04
Well, if I did something wrong, nothing the Edit button can't fix.

Esther, I would like you to just post your character sheet in the OOC thread. Also, Shadowing or not, we ALL here have Awareness, and LuckyDee even has a +10 to it(altho I somewhat par him with my naturally high Perception), so moving around us unnoticed is hard enough.

Our sheets are at pages 3 and 4 of OOC thread, if you care.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 11, 2012, 01:13
Actually, do we have to roll for every single little thing? I'm a follower of the idea that PCs should roll only in the situations where a failure carries the risk of harming either the character or its plans. Not noticing Esther isn't going to harm you (I hope so, for the time being), so the best thing to do is to roleplay it. If your Perception score is at least superior, awareness bonus included (seen the chart in the chapter 1st?), you will fail to notice the assassin sneaking upon you.

Also, I want to oficially greet you in our little crew, Esther. If you really enjoy backstabbing, I guess we'll be going along just fine... some of us do it for a living, you know. ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 01:46
If your Perception score is at least superior, awareness bonus included ... you will fail to notice the assassin sneaking upon you.

This kind of contradicts itself...

Anyhow, I think that where players are performing actions (be they reflexive or deliberate) that directly oppose each other, such as trying to stay hidden and trying to detect a hidden presence, the only fair (and fun) way is by rolling the dice. This leaves the entire thing to chance and keeps the players on their toes.

In short, if the others agree, I'd go with HexaDoken's plan of rolling, but then indeed do it with all the 'official' modifiers (I'd have to look it up). Additionally, depending on how Shadowing works, a contested test might be in order, the player with the highest degree of success being the winner.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 11, 2012, 02:01
If I just make my character do everything I want, he will be absolute badass and will never fail. Sure, this is badass for me, but not really interesting for others. He must fail at least SOMETIMES. But since I can't really decide when he will fail and when he won't(because I do not want him to fail), I use the magic of dice to determine.

I do not HAVE to roll a dice, but that does not mean I can NOT roll a dice. It is up to me. And I'm just informing in case of anything.

Quite like Klear did at some point of time while we were messing around waiting for Van Bohr to come.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 11, 2012, 02:28
Wow, I did not mean to stir up that much discussion. Like I wrote, it seemed easy enough to follow you. Whether or any of you noticed me or not does not really matter. Hexa, it's not that your character failed to notice me. I guess it's save to say that given the little time we all traveled in the maze, you can only now be certain that I am trailing. Others use this mace and I was way behind and not acting in a threatening manner. Maybe I shouldn't have said unnoticed. Not threatening enough to get an instant reaction, could have been better. Sorry, my bad. Now leaning in a bit closer my presence could become an issue.

 
I like playing without rolling dice myself, How do I get to check what you have rolled???? Sylhar has all the data and probably some dice somewhere. I would be quite happy if he rolls for the both of us. ( and cheats to make it fit his story ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 11, 2012, 02:35
Hey hey it's not like you did something wrong or anything. You are perfectly fine ^^

Unfortunately, online dice rollers hate me real bad(99 all the way(ALL the way)), so I roll real life dice. So I guess you can't check what I rolled - you will have to believe me(hard, I know, but hell). I rolled 20 for my Awareness test - to stay hidden, you will have to roll out a score that is more than twenty less than your Agility value.

Not that it really matter but you can still do it for fun.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 02:46
Wow, I did not mean to stir up that much discussion.

No sweat, this happens all the time since we're all still more or less trying to find a way of making things run smoothest. Discussion is good, as far as I'm concerned.

How do I get to check what you have rolled?

Silhar posted the link to a site for this (Invisiblecastle.com I think, it's somewhere in this thread) where you can roll and check results. It's still pretty easy to cheat, I think, but there has to be trust between players as well. Personally (as you probably know well enough) I don't really care whether I fail or succeed at anything as long as I can turn the situation to something interesting.

But then - if we have situations Silhar doesn't care about getting involved in - we can leave it up to the players involved how to handle it. Playing it is good, rolling can be fun as well.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 11, 2012, 02:50
Still working on my character sheet but will post it tonight if I can. I also thought it would be kind of cool to introduce myself without giving you player info up front and roleplay the thing first. Makes it impossible for you to anticipate stuff and feels much more real. If not tonight it will be there tomorrow.
 
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 11, 2012, 03:49
Yeah, I'm in favour of not posting character sheets here anymore. It makes it too tempting to have a look at them.

BTW, welcome Esther! The more the merrier. Also, great.. just as our PCs finally reached some sort of shaky equilibrium, a new face shows up to upset it =)

Edit: Also Re: rolling dice on stuff like this - I wouldn't roll anything and just ask Silhar if I notice anybody. If dice rolling is necessary, he can do it himself, and with any modifiers that might apply to the situation.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 04:08
It makes it too tempting to have a look at them.

No problem by me; it's not like there's secret information in there. And for those who do want to do their own rolls, it'd be a big help. And if Silhar doesn't want to get involved, like he said, we'll have to work out something between ourselves.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 11, 2012, 04:15
I think if it would be important for me to NOT notice Esther's character Silhar would drop a note, or just tell Esther to not 'reveal' his presence in IC thread yet. I suppose that every fact that is mentioned in IC thread is possibly known by my character, and it is my decision if my character knows it or not, unless I am told otherwise. And I tend to decide this on the fly.

A character sheet would be of use for me. As said, it's not like there is major secret info there. And you can always spoiler it.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 11, 2012, 04:22
I suppose that every fact that is mentioned in IC thread is possibly known by my character, and it is my decision if my character knows it or not, unless I am told otherwise.

I don't think that's the case... at least, that's not how I play it. Just make sure your character doesn't become too all-knowing and badass.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 04:35
I have to concur, it's not your decision to 'know' this, only if you want to do something with it. The rest is either decided by Silhar or among the players, I guess.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 11, 2012, 05:03
LuckyDee, can you bump in IRC now? Silharr is there and got some message for us.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 05:07
No, I'm at work actually. I shouldn't be here at all :S
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 11, 2012, 05:18
nevermind... The message silhar has brought was not really important at all.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 11, 2012, 05:23
I've done a Shadowing roll. My result is 12, which means that up to now I have not been seen by HexaDoken or any of you.
Went over it with Silhar  ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 05:28
Good, because I think Awareness would only apply if you were indeed planning on stabbing us in the back - which for now I'll assume is not the case....
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 05:38
Just out there observing and learning......

Although I doubt you can hear what we're saying. You're probably not exactly right behind us, and I don't think it'll be very silent there either.

Additionally, have you (and Silhar) decided at which point you entered, so if you've seen the incident that just occurred?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 11, 2012, 05:45
Additionally, have you (and Silhar) decided at which point you entered, so if you've seen the incident that just occurred?

Because one of you trailed behind a bit I didn't get to see exactly what happened with the prisoner and the stone. As the group moves on after the incident I follow silently, getting a bit closer, wanting to hear the conversation.  Taking in every move and reading your body language with an amused smile....ready for anything ;)

Oh yeah. My trailing slowly behind you pays off. Hurray for playing absent-mindedly with explosive collars!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 11, 2012, 06:25
You were? I'm paying less attention than I thought...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 11, 2012, 06:29
Nope, can't hear a thing.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 11, 2012, 06:31
You were? I'm paying less attention than I thought...

It was a throwaway remark at the time the thing with the stone happened. Since I left the room last and the two of you were engaged in some discussion I didn't care to join (AFAIK) figured I stayed a few strides behind you.

Edit:

Nope, can't hear a thing.

Phew... I was worried a little that I was shouting about us being on a secret inquisitorial mission for all to hear. That would be embarrassing.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 12, 2012, 04:17
As my character was not there in the beginning, I can only go on what I have seen so far. Consider me to be a skilled "hunter"of some sort. What would I know from watching you move, interact and your body language. As I had to stay behind quite a bit, so I wouldn't get noticed, I could not hear your voice or read much facial expressions. (mostly watching your back...)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 12, 2012, 05:12
Besides the obviously inhuman appearance? Not that much I'd guess... had you been very observant, you might have seen him wanting to react to the incident with the stranger, but biting it back; all of this display what could be a very high reaction speed. Besides that, Lazerus seems to be very much at ease.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 12, 2012, 15:20
Like I promised my stats:

WS:   34
BS:   33
S:   37
T:   45
Ag:   31 + 5* = 36
Int:   33
Per:   27
WP:   34
Fel:   23 -5*=18
Wounds:            10
Fate Points:        2
Insanity Points:   6
Corruption Points:   0

Thrones:   143
Name:   Xilla
Homeworld:   Feral World
Career:   Assassin
Rank:           Sell-steel
Gender:   Female
Build:   Wiry, 1.65 cm, 55kg
Skin Color:   Fair
Hair Color:   White
Eye Color:   Blue
Age:           19

Quirk:                   You have filed teeth, tribal face tattoo in brown
Superstition:   Unlucky Colour: Purple
Divination:           Only the insane have strength enough to prosper.
                        Only those who prosper may judge what is sane.
Starting XP:   300 Moritat + 100 Ag = 400 spend
Starting Package:   The Moritat

A description will follow in the IC
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 13, 2012, 01:50
Superstition:   Unlucky Colour: Purple

Oh snaps. My eyes are solid purple.

Anyway, I'm sorry about a slight delay before answering Lazerus's question. I, honestly, started to think about dropping the stone, as it looks dangerous. But I scrapped the idea since that would be uninteresting. (Yet I'm almost sure Silhar would be award me some xp for that :P)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 13, 2012, 04:51
@ Hexa : I chose the colour purple thinking it would easy to avoid. Then I read the description of all characters again and realized your eyes are purple ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 13, 2012, 04:56
Aaand... so what?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 13, 2012, 05:19
Aaand... so what?
Oh, you know, meeting a person with the same eye colour as yours is just awkward. Imagine this, ugh. Terrible feeling. Thank gods it's not so common irl.

... -.^


asds, stupid cat, I need to read things twice and sleep more. Ignore.

[how about bbcode will start working as it should?]
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 13, 2012, 05:49
Aaand... so what?

Xilla apparently isn't a friend of purple color. Of course, it's purely Esther's choice will Xilla fear my eyes like fire or just feel uneasy, but I was curious what her reaction will be.

Nooooooooooow that was a weird one.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 13, 2012, 07:27
Oh, alright. My bad there.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 13, 2012, 07:36
Here's what I'll want to buy once the time comes, assuming we can find those:

Item - cost - availability

Flak Jacket - 100 - average
Compact Stub Revolver - 40 + 50 = 90 - average
Micro-Bead - 20 - average (we should all get these, I think)
Bullets - 1 throne for 20 - plentiful (not sure how many is a reasonable amount, let's say 100 for 5 thrones)
Armour Piercing Bullets - 5 thrones for 6 bullets - scarce (these might be difficult to find. If they are available, I'd take about 24 of them for 20)

That means 235 thrones assuming I can find everything.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 13, 2012, 07:56
Crimson Robes as in Machine Cult???
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 13, 2012, 08:16
MkLear heads toward's the nearest guard.
"Hi there. We've been sent by a Mr Van Bohr. I believe he told you we were coming?"

Hold that thought... I have a cunning plan, depending on what we see...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 13, 2012, 08:19
We'll then you should catch MkLear and make him shut up before he manages to speak (or OOC before Silhar manages to reply).

Edit: Aaaand it's too late. =)

We were told on IRC that we are taking too long to do everything. Now that I think of it, you should have been on IRC in the first place to warn me. Then again, MkLear might have decided to go and do this anyway, but at least you'd have more time to stop me/him.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 13, 2012, 08:24
Whoops.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 13, 2012, 08:54
We'll then you should catch MkLear and make him shut up before he manages to speak (or OOC before Silhar manages to reply).

Edit: Aaaand it's too late. =)

We were told on IRC that we are taking too long to do everything. Now that I think of it, you should have been on IRC in the first place to warn me. Then again, MkLear might have decided to go and do this anyway, but at least you'd have more time to stop me/him.

I'm not saying you can't do anything in the meantime, I just wanted to inform you that I had a plan cooking, which I'd like to follow through on before I'd find us off in some ship or whatever.

Like I said, I'm at work and am actually too involved during these hours already. You can't expect me to be on IRC, or even to pay attention to what's happening at every moment of the day, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't get a chance to have my say on what's going on. I don't think it should be a 'you snooze, you lose' type of thing.

Besides, receiving sensory input (which my question was about) should always go faster than striking up a conversation with someone, regardless of at which point I get an answer to this...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 13, 2012, 08:57
Yeah, sorry. I wasn't really serious with that last post. I'm anxious to hear what the guards have to say, though.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 13, 2012, 12:16
No problem, by now I've sort of guessed you have your brain in the right place ;)

I'm serious about my post though: not being able to swiftly respond to each other or to handle/settle things in order of appearance/chronology is a major drawback of this style of play - speaking as someone with 17 years of face-to-face RPG experience.

In this case, since our actions didn't overlap - I was looking for something useful to confiscate by showing my badge, seeing how far I could take being an agent - there's indeed no problem whatsoever. Once we have two or more players aiming for the same objective (or intertwined ones), we need to be realistic about this, or true to the setting at least.

But I know you'll all agree with me on this, so... just unnecessarily elaborating on my point, I guess. And I wanted you to know what I was planning, since MkLear and Hex would probably have hated my guts for it :))
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 13, 2012, 12:23
I suppose you could still go ahead with the plan while MkLear is talking with the guard. Pros - at least one guard and MkLear/whoever else from the party joins the conversation will be distracted. Cons - you'll miss the exposition. Also we'll probably hate your guts when we find out.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 13, 2012, 12:27
Must admit I'm finding it hard not being able to ask or discus all these little things like you would in a face-to-face RPG. Also not clear on how to play characters background info, like knowing my way around the ship, without knowing a damn thing about it as a player. But I guess it will become clearer as we go......
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 13, 2012, 12:31
The little questions can occasionally be taken care of through IRC, or here.

So far I view the battleship as a somewhat unimportant location where the only place of interest is transportation to the planet. If there was some hot action suddenly, I would probably demand closer description/layout.

I've played face-to-face DnD only once (one session) so I'm blind to the differences, though.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 13, 2012, 12:52
Also not clear on how to play characters background info, like knowing my way around the ship, without knowing a damn thing about it as a player.
But what do you need to know as a player? I mean - only thing I can think about is some kind of a plan, but if you want to go somewhere, you don't need to describe the way you go - it's enough to say "X is going [somewhere]". Only thing you need to know is if [something] is on the ship etc., but it's just one message to ask GM. I also think you can easily assume there is no need to ask for some obvious things. I really see no big difference between PBF and irl-RPG.
Maybe I just can't think about some possibilities, but I never needed a plan in situations like this, only in fight or maybe some stealth approaches to someone.
(And you can always come up with some little flavour-stuff. Right, Silharr?)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 13, 2012, 13:21
It's just a different way of thinking. I'm used to having info upfront by the GM. In this case I would know the places I've been to on the ship and would be able to decide myself to use any of that info in play. Like maybe places to get stuff like guns or food or sleep.
It makes it easier to keep things going whenever you are not around.
But I'm sure this way works fine to, it will just take me a while to adjust.   

I have faith in you as a GM. I'm just feeling a little like a fish out of the water. But I'll be a shark at this soon enough, hehehe
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 13, 2012, 13:42
It's just a different way of thinking.

The problem isn't not being able to get information, it's the speed with which the info comes: you have too much time to think and wonder compared to face-to-face RPG, where every question gets asked and answered as it comes up. It's not something that makes the game unplayable, but like Esther says, you'll have to think differently - especially if you've been playing together for about 10 years as she and I have.

She'll manage sooner than any of us will be comfortable with, though.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 13, 2012, 13:46
On the other hand, I like how the slow pace gives us a lot of time to think about what to say. It makes playing a talkie character that much easier. It can sometimes prevent the "I should have said that!" feeling.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 13, 2012, 14:00
Hah, for me it's the other way around: I think of something to say and then realize that I'm using way too many words, am trying too hard to be funny, am too helpful, too friendly, too charming.

After 3 or 4 attempts, something concise and neutral enough usually comes up :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 13, 2012, 23:44
*conversation breaker*
I came up with a list what I want to buy as well.

That totals at 320 thrones, and leaves me at 90+whatever I'll get from selling my shotgun. Also, Klear, I might consider buying a micro-bead, but since I wouldn't really consider that normally, my character will not buy it unless you will suggest him to do so in IC.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 14, 2012, 00:01
Only thing Xilla would consider buying are Bolas and a composite bow with some arrows. Any rare blades would be tempting.....but not likely to come across. She probably wouldn't have the funds anyway.

And maybe a Flak Vest.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 14, 2012, 00:14
  • Sell my current shotgun. If I'll find a nice merchant that will pay me the full price of this thing that will give me 50 thrones, but I perfectly know that most probably I'll be able to sell it for like 10.
...
  • Shotgun Shells x100, +5.

Does not compute...

As for the cargo - nothing of interest, unless you have a gun shooting human-sized bullets.

Oh well, something useless it is then - Lazerus can't afford not to be curious about this.... Watch me :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 14, 2012, 01:11
Need some help with this:

Do the bolts that come with my crossbow pistol have the same damage rating as those of a bolt pistol? Can't find it anywhere.
And how does it work when the crossbow pistol does not penetrate regular armor whereas a normal bolt pistol will. Does it still have any effect?
Also, is the crossbow pistol modified to shoot bolts, or could I also shoot arrows with it?

Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 14, 2012, 03:28
WH40k has some confusion about it. Listen.

In-game terminology has it that "bolts" refer to a special kind of semi-automatic weaponry shooting out miniaturized rockets. Your crossbow pistol has the damage of 1d10 R, as seen in "hand bow", table 5-7, page 131 in core rulebook. The ammo for this kind of weaponry is called "quarrels" and comes in 20-piece packages, one throne each.

No bolt pistols for you, n00b. :3
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 14, 2012, 06:44
"You used your inquisitorial clearances for something absolutely pointless from a practical point of view..."

Not entirely: I would have preferred confiscating something with a more direct practical use, but we can still sell the shells. This has nothing to do with why I did this, though:
* I needed to know just how much weight this badge actually carries. If servitors aren't going to respect it, how could Lazerus have any faith in it?
* I also needed to know how much of Van Bohr's lapdog Xilla really is. Since my actions provoked no direct response, she at least has no problems with Lazerus kicking the Inquisition in the shins.

Mission accomplished :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 14, 2012, 07:44
Hey, I realized it! This achievement's description was an attempt to hide you with your plans! :D
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 14, 2012, 08:00
Don't bother, I like annoying the other players :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 14, 2012, 23:37
Ok, my grocery list:

* Armor (Flak Vest or Jacket); 50 - 100
* Melee attachment for Autogun; 25
* Red Dot sight for Autogun; 50
* Silencer for Autopistol (this isn't mentioned as an option, but I assume it should be); 10
* Stummers; 25
* Backpack; 10

This would set me back around 170 - 220 thrones. Optionally:
* Different clothes, like I mentioned previously
* More bullets, maybe some Man-Stoppers and a couple of grenades.

I thought about buying a laspistol, get some practice in, but I might as well nick it off someone. Nice to keep in mind if it turns out that I won't be able to obtain a number of items.

Ooh... and I still have a stack of crates with ship's ammo for sale :)

EDIT: I'm changing my last post in the IC thread, since it was of no big impact on the game and there's been no response as of yet.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 15, 2012, 04:59
@HexaDoken

I'll mention we should be getting microbeads when the time comes in the IC thread, don't worry. Though now that I think of it, it might encourage us to split the party, though I think that might not be such a big deal in PBF, in fact smaller groups could function more efficiently (I mean the players, not the characters) since they wouldn't have to wait for so many people to post.

Edit: Also, Lazerus is crazy... I'm having second thooughts about removing that collar now, though I think it was probably worth it for the increase of group cohesion.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 05:37
I'm glad it shows :)

Seriously though, I like it that I'm making this impression, since personally I think Lazerus is likely to be the most practical and level-headed character in the group. The nice thing - for me as well as for you, I guess - is that I'm unsure of his actions myself: the character writes itself instead of having me desperately trying to give him some kind of shape. Prepare to be amazed...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 06:42
"I can not send you down with such a fragile load. Landers tend to malfunction very oftenly and that would result in a mass explosion, then death and injury."

Heheheheh..... Whoops :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 15, 2012, 06:44
I'm just glad this thing ended before MkLear noticed. I was putting off writing the seemingly inevitable "Wtf are you doing, Laz?" speech =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 07:02
Ah, but this time I would have had a good answer :))
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 07:11
This poses a problem for me, however. I was striking up a deal with HexaDoken about these crates, but knowing this he's never gonna accept of course. Unfortunately, it could well be that in game-time, our deal would have been taken care of well before this recall took place, which would of course have significantly changed the situation.

@Sil, is it possible for you to take the info back or temporarily mask it until HD is back and we have worked this out, or were you aware of this and did you make all these decisions deliberately?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 15, 2012, 07:13
I've already talked with HexaDoken about it on IRC. He wouldn't take the offer anyway I believe. It would be hilarious if he did, only to find out that the stuff got unloaded immediately.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 07:16
My point exactly - but with the situation like this, we'll never know...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 15, 2012, 07:23
But Klear talked to the tech-priest a long before you even confiscated the goods. I guess they got unloaded first, and then you proposed.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 07:45
Makes no sense either. Besides, MkLear was already talking before the crates were redirected inf the first place.

Doesn't matter, maybe we should leave it at 'they were being unloaded again at a about the exact same moment that Lazerus spoke the last word of his proposal to Hex'. Seems fitting, somehow.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 15, 2012, 07:53
Yeah, that's what I meant at first, but then I used the wrong tense. X_x
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 15, 2012, 08:41
Man-sized shells are of no use for me. Yeah, I could trade them... BUT HOW I'M GONNA CARRY THEM?

It's not like I have a heavy-duty crane in my pocket.

I would like to assume that I have declined the offer before shells got unloaded.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 08:49
Yeah, I could trade them... BUT HOW I'M GONNA CARRY THEM?

I know, but I was wondering how much you'd let greed blind you :))

I would like to assume that I have declined the offer before shells got unloaded.

Doesn't really matter, I guess.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 15, 2012, 08:51
Greedy people tend to not trade relatively useless things for other relatively useless things. If you would offer me some cash, I would reconsider rather easily.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 08:55
Good stuff, you passed the test :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 15, 2012, 10:07
Good stuff, you passed the test :)

Your test or Lazerus'? =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 10:55
Lazerus', although that makes it mine by default (and I was just as curious as Lazerus was).
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 15, 2012, 11:43
I was waiting for Hexadoken to accept or decline before ordering the crates to be removed, that why Xilla walked up to the enginseer. To bad Silharr already took care of it.   
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 15, 2012, 11:45
Yeah, I MkLear would have probable done something like that as well, but I wanted to see how it played out, so I made it as if he didn't notice why that happened.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 15, 2012, 11:45
Sylharr
Silharr. Please.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 15, 2012, 11:49
Silharr. Please.

Actually, he goes by Silhar around here =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 15, 2012, 11:59
Actually, he goes by Silhar around here =)
Ah, right, one R here (I had to check, it's so uncommon for him ^^). Sorry, I'm just used to all his other accounts where it's either double R or full nick. ;)
But no Y, Y does not look good.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 15, 2012, 12:16
Is there any meaning to Silhar/Silharr/Sylhar? I believe the first is actually a normal first name in Polish, isn't it?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 15, 2012, 12:26
I don't know about Polish but in Czech "jsi lhář" (which is pronounced similarly to Silhar) means "you're a liar".

It's a mystery!

Also - I've added a few lines to my last post (in the IC thread), so don't miss that if you've read it as I originally posted it.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 15, 2012, 12:28
Is there any meaning to Silhar/Silharr/Sylhar? I believe the first is actually a normal first name in Polish, isn't it?
Nah, it's a nickname. ^^
And I am pretty sure it's not a name or even an actual word in any language Klear. <3
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 15, 2012, 12:42
Sorry, I confused the I and Y because you use the Sylith account as well. And that's with Y....
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 15, 2012, 12:46
Sorry, I confused the I and Y because you use the Sylith account as well. And that's with Y....
"You"? But we are two different people! ^^^
And no, he does not "use" my account. It happened once, because he was in my house and he's to lazy to relog. :P Don't get confused. :D
(That's kinda cute. ^^)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 15, 2012, 12:53
Ow, it's you.....Hi! I just thought it was Silharr being lazy again....
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 16, 2012, 02:56
Meanwhile...

ACHIEVEMENT GET
LEAVE THE DAMN SECOND ROOM

That took us exactly 11 pages of hard roleplaying.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 16, 2012, 03:46
Not true! It took 6 pages to get out of first room, 3 to walk from A to B and just 2 to get into the lander and blast off.
I'd say we're getting faster =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 16, 2012, 07:01
Since Lazerus will not be using the Blather skill any time soon, I've changed this skill to Scrutiny instead, in consultation with Silhar of course. Changing the original post to reflect this...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 16, 2012, 07:02
Hehe... MkLear is using Blather all the time =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 16, 2012, 07:04
Imagine the average NPC's response when both of us come up to them like that...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 17, 2012, 11:13
The hole thing took her less then 30 seconds in witch she kept on edge the hole time.

Sounds like my sex-life (apart from the bit about the witch)...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 17, 2012, 23:22
I like how we decided that there are totally no possible ways to get in the city other than the sewer within less than a minute. Without even saying a word about it. Just, like, see that sewer? It's the only way to get in. Why? Because if not, what should it be doing there?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 17, 2012, 23:31
Heh, we will be looking for another way in, no doubt about that. But don't confuse one of these hives with a modern city (access from every which way) or even a medieval one (access through a number of gates). There is nothing to go outside of the hive for, so there won't be any doors/gates/etc to accomodate this. I think a hive bears more resemblance to a prison than to a city. Possibly there are some kind of docking station for air/spacecraft, but how high can you jump?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 18, 2012, 00:41
Rocketjumping techniques will come handy.

Too bad I have nothing that explodes well... hey wait, I think MkLear should still have that collar still!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 18, 2012, 01:16
Erm... before you step on it, ready for launch, you might want to read its description (see the Armoury section of the book)...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 18, 2012, 05:09
Soviet soldiers jump on nukes, and sometimes they even survive. It's not like a silly 1d10 explosive damage is going to do something to me!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 18, 2012, 05:13
It's going to do 0-3 points of damage. It's not much, but you're forgetting one thing why this wouldn't work: the collar is mine!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 18, 2012, 05:52
/me kills Klear.

Not anymore.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 18, 2012, 05:52
Like you knew how to activate the collar on your own. Do you have tech-use? =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 18, 2012, 07:13
Activate...?

What the hell are you talking about? We do not activate explosives. We goddamn explode them.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 19, 2012, 09:54

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I tried and tried and tried, but my scanner is badly messed up. I can't publish it. Let's just say that your assumptions are alright until now.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 19, 2012, 10:34
Guys, btw, I'm just curious.
Why use spoilers for things like "I'm loading my pistol"? You want to hide it from everyone else or what?
Don't get me wrong but I'm used to describing all your actions like you're writing a book and it's a first time I see something like this in PBF, so I don't really get it. Also I don't really see the point for hiding actions like this (not to mention it's probably not so easy to hide without the rest noticing you're doing something)...
Just why? What for?

I'm also asking because when I'll be playing I probably won't be reading spoilers unless it will be pointed I should and it's for me, not for GM... and that might cause some misunderstanding.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 19, 2012, 10:47
We hide OOC stuff in spoilers so it doesn't ruin immersion... or something.

If there's something you shouldn't know, you will be notified before the spoiler (such as with the awareness roll earlier).
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 19, 2012, 11:00
I noticed, I just don't understand it. Why write OOC when you can come up with some pretty description of your actions?
I'm used to think about PBFs like about a book where every person is a narrator, just with a little restrictions. You can write "X smiled happily and reached for his gun. The he reloaded it, so he could react quickly in case something bad jumped from behind the corner". And I think we all can agree it's a little more entertaining than simple "I take my gun and reload it" in spoiler.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 19, 2012, 11:02
Well, loading pistol is not really OOC stuff. That depends on how you write it.
ACTION -> RELOAD PISTOL  - is rather OOC stuff. But something like HexaDoken reloads his pistol - could perfeclty fit in IC thread.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 19, 2012, 11:03
Well, loading pistol is not really OOC stuff. That depends on how you write it.
ACTION -> RELOAD PISTOL  - is rather OOC stuff. But something like HexaDoken reloads his pistol - could perfeclty fit in IC thread.

This is the point. Why write C:\RELOAD\PISTOL? We're narrating, not navigating the DOS terminal?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 19, 2012, 11:04
Well, in the case of my readying the autopistol, I did it like this since I forgot to mention it in my post and somebody already posted a reply, so I didn't want to edit it.

Other than that the spoilered texts are mostly OOC talk. When the action starts, we'll probably be using both (IC to narrate, spoilered OOC to see the exact stats/rolls/whatever.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 19, 2012, 11:16
> ACTION -> CHARACTER -> EQUIPMENT -> WEAPON SLOT -> PISTOL -> RELOAD -> AMMUNITION -> PISTOL CLIP
ARE YOU SURE? Y/N
> Y

...yeah that's not really fun. Let's avoid that.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on June 19, 2012, 11:22
Klear - I still not quite see why couldn't this be done in IC manner, but I think I got your point. ;)
I'm not reacting just because of it anyway, I'm even more curious about Esther's post than yours. Writing some actions in IC and some in OOC might also cause a problem when someone else will want to interrupt. I'm just used to...

Quote
Raskin looked around and nodded.
"That's a good idea", she said to Melissa. Then she took a step to Nathan and leaned to his ear. She whispered something and walked through the door.

Nathan:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

this kind of spoiler use. Or rolls.  Everything else seems available without spoilers.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 19, 2012, 12:47
"Need a light? Just tell me"

What the hell do you use to light these things with?

"We should wait a bit and examine this place carefully, before you do something rash."

Simply speaking as a player, I totally agree. For some reason, it doesn't seem to work this way IC however. Maybe we're all rushing into things too much now, to overcompensate for the slow start. I think a very important reason is the size of the group as well, and the different times at which players are online. I have no trouble assuming that we're going to be forced to go this way eventually, but I dislike the fact that we simply don't discuss it and go ahead.

And I'm just as guilty as everyone else is. I think it's cause nobody wants to lose the initiative, or get left behind or whatnot. Any ideas on how we can circumvent this, and help make the story more realistic in that respect?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 19, 2012, 12:55
Nope... I just wanted us to wait for the drawing of our surroundings, but since that's not coming, it doesn't matter, I guess.

One thing that occurred to me though - I know it's customary in standard RPG games to never split the party, but the way we are playing it (and if there is IC reason for that), splitting might make things run more efficiently. Though we may have to make a separate thread for the split so the posts don't get in their way...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 19, 2012, 13:00
Makes sense, although Lazerus doesn't have enought trust in any of the others to simply let them wander off yet...

But still: don't you think we're missing something by not thinking/talking things through IC?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 19, 2012, 13:01
Well, MkLear is quite content to smoke lho-sticks and let you figure out plan of action. If he had anything to say, he'd say it already =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 19, 2012, 13:05
Last time I talked about such a possibility with Silharr he insta-noed that, because he isn't PI and his Imagination stat is not high enough to GM two roleplays simulatenously. So probably no.
Probably.
and yes Klear, you totally infected me with MSPA.

I think I do rush because of the nature of me and my character. See a tube probably full of dangerous spiders? MUST INVESTIGATE IMMEDIATELY.

EDIT: HexaDoken always lays down all things immediately. It's more of the fact that he usually does not have much things to lay down.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 19, 2012, 13:12
Alrighty, must be my problem then. I'll ponder it for a little while longer, since the way I'm currently going is not that of the Scout Living To See Another Day...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 19, 2012, 13:16
What's the matter, guys?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 19, 2012, 13:18
Like I said, I think the IC communication/planning is lacking. But since Klear and HD disagree (and I just know Esther will too, judging by her character), it seems to me that it's just me who's not living up to his character. I'll work it out though.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 19, 2012, 13:28
Like I said, I think the IC communication/planning is lacking. But since Klear and HD disagree (and I just know Esther will too, judging by her character), it seems to me that it's just me who's not living up to his character. I'll work it out though.

Oh, I agree we should talk/plan IC more, I was just pointing out that lack of MkLear's input in this situation is deliberate.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 19, 2012, 13:33
Quote
Like I said, I think the IC communication/planning is lacking. But since Klear and HD disagree (and I just know Esther will too, judging by her character),
Nope, your wrong Esther does agree. Even a character like Xilla wants to get all the facts before rushing in. Both times she went into the Pipe it was to learn more and then communicate about the next action....Xilla did mention getting ready before making the spiders come, she was not going to rush in.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 19, 2012, 13:36
Oh, my bad. She didn't seem the type :)

Guess it's currently being fixed...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 19, 2012, 13:40
Quote
I'm even more curious about Esther's post than yours.

I put the spoiler in after the next post was already made. I wasn't sure if I could just edit that in, but I've done it now because that's how I usually write my posts. I also thought MkLear did his that way for a reason, so I thought it should be done that way. Just my inexperience =(
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 19, 2012, 14:05
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Assassins tent to asses the situation before rushing in ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 20, 2012, 08:21
"I wonder what you're lighting your lho-sticks with"

I'm wondering the same thing, btw... not sure if there are normal lighters in WH40k =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 20, 2012, 14:47
The lighters are as normal as one can be.
You also could use the matches.
Or an inferno pistol, if you know how.

How much room is there in the pipe below us? And can we fasten a rope to something so that we'll be able to climb out again?

I'd be so grateful if you posted such questions in this thread - to keep the narration smooth and not interrupt it with things out of character. Right?

One could tie the rope to the shards of twisted metal straying from the hole's borders, but there is always the risk that it won't hold - that the rope will slide down or tear. The fall may not be deadly, but sure as hell that it will result in broken bone.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 20, 2012, 22:08
Throw down the lighter for lulz.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 20, 2012, 23:29
...and not interrupt it with things out of character. Right?

Well, yes and no. It's not Lazerus asking you the question, but it is Lazerus that wants to know... Additionally, I'm asking for information directly relating to the setting we're currently in.

If you want this in the OOC thread instead, fine by me, but I think part of the information (the answer at least) should be in the IC thread because it will be used to base in-game decisions on.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 21, 2012, 02:22
You may also post it in spoilers below regular posts... That would make it go even smoothier.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 21, 2012, 02:57
Ok... I can make an in-game story about it and hide the actual questions in a spoiler tag, will do that in a moment.

But what about the answer then? I'd expect this to be part of the IC thread, in line with all the other descriptions you give (unless it's secret info, of course). In the current case, where I'm looking for something to tie a rope to, it'd be a bit strange to have the question plus the action based on the response, but not the response itself...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 21, 2012, 03:33
I'll post it here soon.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on June 21, 2012, 07:19
Sorry guys, have to go again. Be back around 6.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 21, 2012, 23:18
...and starts to climb down the fastened rope, wheezing.

Looks like I misread the posts: I was under the impression that the rope was down there with the others, which is the only reason I jumped. But screw it, done is done, we'll see how many broken bones I end up with.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 21, 2012, 23:51
Failure happens :P
Also, oh righto, I have 100 xp now. Can get something cool.

Awareness roll, result 11. Booyeah.

EDIT: since there isn't much cool stuff at Conscript rank, I'm taking Sound Constitution.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 22, 2012, 05:01
Since there isn't much cool stuff at Conscript rank, I'm taking Sound Constitution.

Don't forget you can also spend it on stat increases. For me, there's little useful at Dreg rank as well, so I guess I'm saving up 250 for the second BS increase instead.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 23, 2012, 07:31
Guys and guyettes, I'd like you to send me your character sheets on PM. I'd like to have them in one place, apart from all the discussion. Thank you.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 23, 2012, 07:40
Sent. I was gonna do that, but I wanted to wait for the shopping trip. That was back when I though it will be easy to reach a shop, though =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 23, 2012, 07:41
Is anybody in need for shortened combat rules?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 23, 2012, 07:47
As a hive-born individual, MkLear is Wary, so gets +1 on all initiative rolls. Not that it changes anything in this instance (except maybe he gets to move before Xilla, unless she's hive-born too)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 23, 2012, 07:48
Ha! Right. Forgot. Let me fix that.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 23, 2012, 07:54
Yeah, I could make use of shortened combat rules.
Character sheet will arive in next minute or so.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 23, 2012, 08:57
So...
First we have initiative rolls. It is 1d10 + Ag bonus (tens digit) + any of your initiative bonuses. Whoever has the highest value, goes first, then in a descending order.

During your turn, you do actions. We divide them into categories - free, half and full actions. You don't have to know them all, but if you do, it's good for you. You can always come back and check if you don't know something.

Free actions can be made in a split-second. Do bear in mind, though, that amassing ten of them in one turn can't. For example:
- Dodge (one dodge per turn! you can dodge ranged attacks as well);
- Shout something quickly;
- Parry (one parry per turn, no parrying the gunfire);
- Dropping an item held in your hand;
- Pressing the explosive collar's trigger;
- Attacking an enemy that is running next to you;
etc.

Half actions take half your turn time. Half actions described in the rulebook are:
- Regular attack (only one "attack" action per turn!);
- Feint (you and your enemy roll WS - if you succeed, your next melee attack in quick succession after the feint against this enemy can't be dodged or parried);
- Aim (+10 to your next BS roll if you attack right after aiming. If you aim two times in a row, the bonus is raised to +20);
- Manoeuvre (if you succeed against your enemy in opposed WS check, you can push him one metre backwards);
- Delay (you wait to execute your second action later this turn);
- Half Move (one "move" action per turn, metres equal to your agility bonus);
- Stand up (if somebody knocks you down);
- Knock down (You hurl your body against your opponent, in hopes to bring him down. Opposed Str test with your enemy. If you win, you put him to the ground. If you fail badly, he puts you down instead. You get +10 if you moved before pushing him);

Full actions take the whole turn to execute.
- Disengage (lets you move away from the enemy without provoking additional attacks);
- Jump/leap ('nuff said);
- Full Move (move equally to twice your Ag bonus in meters);
- Run (a move action, you dash six times your Ag bonus in metres. Anyone trying to hit you gets +20 to WS, but -20 to BS);
- Tactical advance (you may move twice your Ag bonus in metres from a piece of cover to another piece of cover without losing any profit from it);
- All-out attack (+20 to WS, but you can't dodge or parry until your next turn);
- Charge (must dash 4 meters at least to a maximum Ag bonus*3, gives +10 to WS roll);
- Defensive stance (don't attack, but enemies trying to hit you get -20);
- Multiple attacks (if your traits let you do so, you can attack twice or thrice with this action);
- Guarded strike (-10 to hit, but +10 to dodge/parry);
- Grapple (normal WS test, but instead you catch your opponent and may choke him afterwards with a well-placed Str opposite roll. Grappled foes can't parry or dodge and are easier to hit by +20)
- Stun (lots of explaining there. Basically a Called Attack to the head, so -20. If you succeed, 1d10+Strength Bonus against the enemy's 1d10 + head armor. If you beat him, you send his mind to space for a number of rounds equal to the difference.)
- Burst fire (either semi-auto, giving +10 to hit, full-auto, giving +20 to hit or supressing fire, which only has to pin the foe to the ground);

It's alright, but how do I hit somebody?
It's nice of you that you ask.
You roll for WS (if melee) or BS (if gunfighting). If you roll below your characteristic, you managed to hit, congrats and stuff.
Then there is a damage roll. How much damage? Check your weapon stat. That much.
Fists are like 1d5-3 damage, if you went really desperate or ran out of ammo.
The number you rolled has the target's Toughness Bonus and armor subtracted from it, then it applies into his body and takes as many Wounds.
If Wounds collapse to zero, the guy is heavily wounded and each subsequent strike that deals damage is a Critical Hit - our word for "finisher". It does bad things depending on how much damage you stick into the target.
Results may vary from stunning, through flying limbs, to total vaporization, which also depends on the weapon. Leave the description of the effects to me, though. I've got eight pages of charts for it.

Other modifiers
- If you fire your gun at enemy 3 metres apart, you get +30 to hit (point-blank range);
- If you melee your opponent two or more to one, each of you gets +10 to hit for each participant beyond the first, to a maximum of +20;
- If you call the shot into a particular body part (if you don't, we pick it randomly), you get -20 to BS roll;
- If you knocked your enemy to the ground, he is +10 to hit in melee, but -10 to shoot. Also, he has -20 to dodge.
- It's harder by -20 to hit somebody engaged in melee. Also, there's a risk of you hitting your friend instead if you fail really badly.
- A stunned bastard is easier to whack by +20, so go for the head.
- Backstabbing an unaware target is easier by +30. Hi, Xilla.
- If you try to apply your fist to the face of somebody armed with a melee weapon, you get -20.
- If somebody is helpless (like, tied up, blinded or unconscious - or stuck in a monstrous web!), attacks succeed immediately, plus you roll twice and get the higher bonus. Go for the eyes, boys and girls.
- Off-hand attacks for non-ambidextrous people get -20.
- Firing at somebody from the higher ground is also a way to go, for if you stand higher than your enemy, you get +10 against him!

If you rolled a natural 10 in your damage roll, roll again. If you succeed, you roll another d10 and add it to the rest! Roll again if the 10 shows up one more time and repeat it until you stop rolling tens, lucky bastard.

Fine. How do I reload my gun?
It takes as many actions as described in the weapon's description, in the Reload (Rld) section. A Man-Portable Lascannon? Sucks to be you, brother.

How do we post our actions?
You post them in an initiative order, of course. First you describe what you do, and then you post the mechanical action in the spoiler tag along with all the rolls required for this.

What if I die?
You stay dead!

No, not really. Heh.
If you still have Fate Points left, you delete one forever and come back to life.

Fate Points?
Yeah, Fate Points are your bucket'o'luck that tends to run out way too quickly.
They regenerate once per day when you take a good rest and can be used in several ways:
- Use one to heal immediately for 1d5 Wounds.
- Pay me one and you can reroll a failed test.
- You may gain an additional degree of success. Cost: one point.
- If you want to move before the random bastard does, you give me one point and I give you an additional Initiative Roll Die. This one is added to the rest.
- If something shitty occurs to you - like, your hand flying away from you, your eyes melting or your heart ceasing to beat - you give me one Fate Point and I fix you. Of course, this time you never get your one point back. Small note - you can give me one point you already used up to heal yourself, roll again or else. Doesn't matter. What matters is that it is lost forever to you.

What if I lose them all?
Well, you're screwed.
Unless you do something truly heroic!, for this is when I can award you with one more life to live.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 23, 2012, 09:08
Can I magically swap my shotgun with my lasgun in a 0.0s time pretending that "I have wielded that lasgun before the battle started, I don't know anything!"

If no, then I guess I'm just going to deliberately aim and... deliberately aim again.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 23, 2012, 09:11
I'm actually thinking about getting this (http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Support%20Files/Talents/Quick%20Draw.html).

"You talkin' to me?"
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 23, 2012, 09:13
Dangit, sharing files used to be real easy with Orbitfiles. Now it's seemingly impossible...

Sil, if you PM me your e-mail address, I'll send you the file that way instead.

I won't be around this evening btw, so it might be late tonight/tomorrow morning before I can take my first turn...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 23, 2012, 09:16
Mediafire is pretty solid.

Also, I hate that die that rolled 1 on my initiative =(
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 23, 2012, 09:17
And Esther with you, likely...

You can have my 9 if you take my 4 wounds too...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 23, 2012, 09:26
Is Lazerus still on the floor when his first action starts? And regardless, can I consider thumbing the RoF switch on the autogun as a free action?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 23, 2012, 10:29
Remember that you have FPs, too.
Yes, he's still on the floor. Bear in mind, though, that you are not aware of the combat in its first round, so the only combatants on the move are HexaDoken and the spider.
And switching the switch is a free action, yes.

On the sheet - can you just copypaste it into a forum private message?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 23, 2012, 11:23
I'll give it a try (later). About the FP, I'll try spending one to heal when I've taken at least 1 more damage - it'd be just my luck to have a 5 rolled when I've only taken 4 damage...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 23, 2012, 11:54
@Sil, can you please draw a rough top-down diagram of our surroundings, our positions and the position of the spider? Oh, and please gimme an idea of what size spider we're dealing with here... Cat? Pony? Humvee?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 23, 2012, 15:34
Rather a humvee one...

Dark Heresy: The Roguelike coming up!

Code: [Select]
####..####
#.|.S....#
#.|...%.(#
#.|..#...#
#=|======#
#.K..X#.H#
#%|..%L..#
##########

(S)pider, (K)lear, (X)illa, (H)exaDoken and (L)azerus, the hole in the wall and some pipes, the "=" one hanging at four meters, the "|" one at around eleven meters,
while there's one on the ground, the "(". There's also various piping even higher. Webbing is all over the floor, but "%" are large concentrations of it,
probably with some corpses inside, too. "#" are walls and piles of random rubbish.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 23, 2012, 15:48
That looks... completely different to what I expected.

Just a few points I need clarified:

1) How far is the Spider? I (and HexaDoken) though it was 40 metres, though this looks much closer. Was it just its shadow that was so far away? He'll probably want to reconsider his two aim actions if the spider is already in range of his shotgun.
2) The "=" and "|" pipes - four and eleven metres refers to their respective heights? If so, this room has a much higher ceiling then I expected.
3) What and where exactly is the hole in the wall? At the same place as Lazerus?
4) I'm MkLear, not Klear =P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 23, 2012, 17:12
1) It is at the end of the room. What I made up above is just an approximate view of the situation. It's equally hard to describe for you because it's dark and foggy in the room.
2) Yes, this hall has a very high ceiling. You can't see it through the fog, so it's equally probable that it has no ceiling at all, instead just being a tunnel opening several kilometers upward.
3) The hole is the break in the wall behind the spider.
4) I know. :P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 23, 2012, 23:29
Small question about FPs. Out of the list of their possible uses, only the last one(the one where you use divine intervention and grow me a new arm/replace my shitty heart with a working one) burns the FP down forever, right?
Also, is this "divine intervention" like in rolebook - the near near CYDSTEPP which will save me from immediate death but will pretty much kill me if I happen to get hit one more time, or are you a bit more kind and allow us to use it as an all-powerful magic wand?

You still haven't answered me if I can magicswap my weapons pretending that I did that before combat start and it was fully legit. Altho I assumed that it won't happen, but I'll be grateful if it will. Magically, of course.

If it won't, turn is yours.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 24, 2012, 02:19
Okay, since it's our first combat, do some magicswappin'.

On burning FPs - yes. The one and only case when a point is lost forever is when you try to save yourself from certain death or being severly crippled. How does it happen? You probably lose consciousness and are out of combat/other situation that would wreck you, then you wake up and it turns out that it was just a serious-looking flesh wound.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 02:47
Rather a humvee one...

What does this mean for the to hit chance? A blind person would have a hard time missing something this big...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 24, 2012, 02:56
Unluckily, nothing. This bastard is also quick on the move, so hitting it is equally hard.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 03:17
Unluckily, nothing. This bastard is also quick on the move, so hitting it is equally hard.

Ok. I repeat my question, since, now that it's my turn, it's standing at point blank range and is busy tearing HD apart instead of running...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 24, 2012, 03:18
How could the spider charge HexaDoken if he was 40 metres away at the start of combat? Even if it ran (momvement rate X 6), it would only be able to cover 24 metres (assuming Agi 4 based on the initiative roll).

m not challenging that it happened, I'd just like to know which of my assumptions was wrong (its distance? speed?), so I won't make whatever mistake I may have made again.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 03:19
How could the spider charge HexaDoken if he was 40 metres away at the start of combat?

I was about to edit my post to include that exact same question...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 24, 2012, 03:30
Ok, so. The spider has some nifty traits that let it run faster, jump higher, maan, Imma not gonna let you poison m- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ)

Ugh. Wait.

So. Traits. This is how. Your understand how it works fairly well, so don't worry, just trust me that everything works the way it should.

What are odds of hitting this thing now? Since we have a point-blank situation, it's +30 to BS for you.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 04:34
Also, for HexaDoken...Consolation Prize

Second time someone's earning XP off me.... I need to find myself a pimp ;)

Is that autogun we saw earlier already submerged?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 24, 2012, 04:40
Yep, it is.

Also, I decided to award you too. ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 10:10
Aww, thanks :)

Meanwhile:

"Halt! Who's there? Lay yer weapons down and come out with yer hands up!", announces the loud, low voice of some male. There's a visible cone of light, now flashing right at the motormouth's eyes.

Since Lazerus approached the opening from the flank, what are the odds of him having been seen by the shooter?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 24, 2012, 10:14
I asked Silhar whether MkLear should assume Lazerus was spotted on IRC, though now that I think about it, I'm not absolutely sure I got a clear answer. We were likely making quite a bit of noise moving through the water, though: "The rushing water grows even harder to move on, each step coming with more and more effort".
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 10:18
Good, that should actually make us harder to hear. Stepping in small puddles makes a much more distinct sound than wading does, especially when there's some kind of waterfall going on in the background.

I made damn sure not to walk straight at the entrance for precisely this purpose - that's not to say that I couldn't have been seen, but guessing at that would then depend on the point at which the beam of light originates. I'd rather await Silhar's call on that one.

...glancing at Lazerus to see if he'll cooperate.

Thanks for giving away my position though :O
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 24, 2012, 10:21
Thanks for giving away my position though :O

What are you gonna do, shoot me in the back? =P

Edit: On the other hand, if I did give you away, it could actually be to our advantage. If I was to emerge on my own, they'd inevitably ask if there's someone else and I'd then probably blow my deceive roll.
If they see I've given away a teammate, they will be more willing to trust me that we're the only ones there. They could relax a little seeing that I cooperate as well. We shall see.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 10:24
Coincidentally, see the PM I just sent you :S
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 24, 2012, 16:45
Guys, guys, I came up with a neat home rule!

How about you could learn skills and certain traits from each other?
So let's say that your teammate has learned something useful. But you'd like to know that too, because you can find an another use for such a fabulous skill.
You go "hey, this is neat, show me how you do it!", do some narration and ask me for permission. If there's no obstacle, you pay 125% of normal cost in xps (the normal cost being the one paid by the character that you are learning from) and acquire the skill.

Also, I think that the teacher would earn some xps in the process.

How does that sound?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 24, 2012, 23:13
That's... kind of neat. I can ask Xilla to teach me a few stealthy tricks :O

Can I magically find that autogun underwater? I wanna it :P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on June 24, 2012, 23:29
How about you could learn skills and certain traits from each other?

Sounds like a very good idea, let's see how it works out I'd say.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 25, 2012, 02:00
That's... kind of neat. I can ask Xilla to teach me a few stealthy tricks :O

Can I magically find that autogun underwater? I wanna it :P

I guess it was in horrible state anyway...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 25, 2012, 07:26
That's... kind of neat. I can ask Xilla to teach me a few stealthy tricks :O

Can I magically find that autogun underwater? I wanna it :P

MkLear would proabably sell you his, he prefers autopistols anyway. He won't give you any ammo though.

Also, re the home rule - I thought this is pretty much covered by standard rules, no? If you want a specialization outside the scope of your character's career path, you need a way to describe how your character came to know that thing, including finding a willing teacher and spending some time (and eventually XP) on training.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on June 25, 2012, 08:08
But the rulebook describes it in a "now you can't say that character development system is crude, sod off" manner. What I do is giving you a clear way how to accomplish it.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on June 26, 2012, 05:03
Just a heads-up: I'll be on the Karlovy Vary Film Festival from 1st to 4th July, so I won't be able to play in those days. Given how slowly we're progressing, there might not be need for any dramatics, maybe just have MkLear get another two fatigue points and have him sleep until I get back. If we manage to get to civilized world by then, I'll just have him drink himself into coma before I go. =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on June 26, 2012, 05:34
July is a game breaker for us it seems...

My memory probably deceives me on exact date, but 9th July or so I am going away. Far away. To a place where finding a source of ANY internet connection is highly unlikely. How long I'll be there is something I do not know yet, but I can say it will be for a while.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 01, 2012, 05:10
I'm Leaving for Karlovy Vary in 6 hours and won't be available 'till Wendsday. I think as long as nothing serious happen, you can play a bit without me (and with our speed, I won't miss much anyway).
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 01, 2012, 06:18
Have fun - we'll Dunham you through the necessary parts...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 01, 2012, 06:20
Dunham? What does that mean?

Just please don't get me killed while I'm gone =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 01, 2012, 06:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrbzMyNbxIo&feature=fvst
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on July 02, 2012, 04:09
I won't be around from 6 July till 13 July and 16 till 19 July. Dunham all you like.......;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 02, 2012, 06:57
Call me old-fashioned, but I strongly advise against posting this stuff on any board, since they're all available to the public. PM seems like a more sensible approach.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 02, 2012, 09:46
I have no idea - why. I'd say OOC thread is a perfect place to post such stuff. In the Internet, you have no identity.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 02, 2012, 11:44
Would you post your bank account or credit card number? The password to your e-mail? You're not as anonymous as you could be or think you are, and I strongly advise against it. It's not the people on the other side of the world that you have to fear, but more likely the people closer to home, who overhear what you're up to and use it to keep tabs on you. The most important part of burglary is the gathering intel, and the time of be forced to walk through the neighborhood to find it is long past us. Call me paranoid (which is true to some extent, I'll readily admit), but I'd rather be safe than sorry any day.

Let me put it in another way: I sure as hell am not going to post the days that I will not be home on a public forum, and if I find out someone's been doing this on my behalf, I would be seriously pissed off. Not that I expect any of you would do this, but please keep in mind that I'm not the only one who thinks like this - you don't have to agree, but I hope you realize that this can be a pretty big line to cross.

I'm sorry if I sound like an asshole about this, but yeah, I really _really_ think it's very stupid.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on July 02, 2012, 12:13
Well, posting your location in your profile and using your alias everywhere does not help.......
Would not post it on facebook, but Xilla is a nobody floating in cyberspace. I feel quite safe.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on July 02, 2012, 13:43
Woah, Lucky, chill. Yeah, you're not anonymous, maybe, but, you know, Internetz are huge.
And I highly doubt CF is soooo freaking popular that some burglar will just sit here and wait till one of us leaves so he could travel around the world to steal everything from their home hoping it will pay off. -.^
Bah, I'd say it's safer than the phone. You know, tapping.

Not to mention that "I won't be around [the forum]" can simply mean "I'm doing sumthing with my internetz/PC and I won't be able to get online".

Oh, and does it mean that in case you'll be going "offline" for a few days you just PM every one of us?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 02, 2012, 13:48
I'm terribly sorry about that, but didn't somebody here write about his daughter "pooping in the pool"? Now isn't it more private than "I might be off for a few days"?

Sure, mate, that's all your opinion. Just do what you believe is right.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 02, 2012, 13:52
I understand what you're saying, and I probably could easily be more careful myself, but location is one of the easiest things to find out (especially when you manage to obtain someone's IP, which isn't that hard). And if I did make a direct link between myself and LuckyDee, please point it out to me - because I don't think I did.

Woah, Lucky, chill.

Don't worry, I'm not at all as angry as I may sound. And since I've known Esther for about 10 years now, I don't think she'll misunderstand.

Not to mention that "I won't be around [the forum]" can simply mean "I'm doing sumthing with my internetz/PC and I won't be able to get online".

True, yet shaky.

Oh, and does it mean that in case you'll be going "offline" for a few days you just PM every one of us?

Probably. Silhar at least, but long live multiple recipients, I'd say. I might even log on once in a while, both to stay in the loop and to appear 'there'.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 02, 2012, 13:59
I'm terribly sorry about that, but didn't somebody here write about his daughter "pooping in the pool"? Now isn't it more private than "I might be off for a few days"?

Sure, mate, that's all your opinion. Just do what you believe is right.

Hah, different backgrounds I guess - it's not that big a deal to talk about over here :) And yes indeed, it is all about opinion, that's exactly what I'm saying - so you're entitled to yours as much as I'm entitled to mine.

Listen good: I really like you guys, and this stuff is by no means meant to offend you - and like I said, in reality I'm actually pretty cool about it, regardless of how I may come across in these written messages. I just thought it'd be wise to share this with you. Do with it as you please, and don't think any less of me because of it, as I won't think any less of you regardless of your opinion.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 02, 2012, 14:09
Also, buddies... can you solve such matters on PM or IRC? I'd like to keep this topic in theme at least briefly...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 02, 2012, 14:12
I'll delete my posts shortly, update Esther on a PM. Again, please bear in mind that this is all based on the best of intentions. You're right about sticking to the topic, though.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 02, 2012, 14:15
No reason to delete anything, it's just for the future. Okay?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 02, 2012, 14:21
Deal. To immediately steer this thread back on topic then:

About healing damage (not having looked it up yet, but having been wondering in any case): do we keep track of our own healing, or do you inform us when we can cross of X amount of damage? And if we need to keep track ourselves, what are healing times? Is there difference between the bashing type damage Lazerus has suffered and the lethal type HexaDoken incurred?

Oh and do you want this reflected in the character sheet thread? And how about other highly mutable things such as XP and inventory?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 03, 2012, 00:01
Now think of a reason why and how anyone could ever put the "I won't be here for X days" information against me. Go on.

As for character sheets - I'd just include everything possible(infact, I already did that :P). Not only for Silhar but also to keep track on those things myself.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 04, 2012, 23:33
@Sil, have you missed the questions in my last post (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.msg49712.html#msg49712)?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 05, 2012, 00:11
Have you missed a response one post further (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.msg49713.html#msg49713)?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 05, 2012, 05:39
Matter of fact, yes I have. Last time I looked, Esther's post came immediately after mine... Curious.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 05, 2012, 06:10
Hi everyone. Just dropping in to say I'm back. Our car broke down 100 km from Prague and we had to wait for a friend to tow us, so I got home well past 2 AM and now I'm at work, where I'm required (uncharacteristically) to do stuff. Eg. in a few minutes I'll have to unplug this computer and move it to a room without internet =)

So... I'll catch up with you in the evening...

Edit: Oh, I see I haven't really missed anything yet... I'll post something in the evening.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 05, 2012, 06:42
Edit: Oh, I see I haven't really missed anything yet... I'll post something in the evening.

God forgive me, where did these days go?

Fine to have you back, Klear.

Matter of fact, yes I have. Last time I looked, Esther's post came immediately after mine... Curious.

Matter of fact, I sneaked into the admin's account, hacked his passwords and glued this post there to make you feel awkward. As always.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 05, 2012, 07:06
...as a good GM should :)

And hi again, Klear, just in time to run your mouth at someone important again. Do us proud.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on July 05, 2012, 07:44
Just speed up a little before Esther and Hexa go, can you, guys?
I really don't want to wait 'till september.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 05, 2012, 07:55
Well I won't be away all the way til september :O Ya know, I have a birthday in August, and I don't want to meet it in over9000km away from my home.

Speeding up is not as easy as it sounds... The most easy way to do is to arrange a hour or two where all of us can be here(and I mean ALL of us) and actually be here when that time comes.

Right now, much as brand-new IC post reflects, I am waiting for Klear to handle the talky-talky thing himself.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 05, 2012, 17:07
talky-talky handled. Sorry for taking so long. I'm quite exhausted and unlike MkLear I don't have radiation to blame =)

Still, the long wait at least allowed me to put that fatigue point into good roleplaying use. I'll hopefully be able to reply much faster from now on.

Edit: Here's something I ran into just now - good to get the feeling for the setting:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Inquisition_Quotes (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Inquisition_Quotes)

I especially like these by Inquisitor Eisenhorn:

Quote
I'm excusing a lot because I recognize the trauma and the loss you have suffered. But my patience isn't limitless... unlike my authority.

Quote
-Who do you work for?
-The Emperor.
-Then imagine I'm Him and you won't be far wrong.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 06, 2012, 05:31
I LOVE this guy. Eisenhorn is the quintessence of 40k badassness.

Also, in the first post of this thread I made some hyperlinks to the most important things in this there thread. Hope they'll come in handy.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 06, 2012, 10:24
You should read the Eisenhorn trilogy. Good stuff.

Also, you could link the online player guide (http://digilander.libero.it/Ilbisontemorto/Dark%20Heresy/Home.html) and character generator (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/dhadvanced.html?). I've got them bookmarked already, but someone might find those handy.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 06, 2012, 10:59
I've only managed to obtain Malleus, so far and yes, it's good. It's awesome, to say at least.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 07, 2012, 06:48
Sorry to interrupt, but

As MkLear says that they are going to visit the seer, mercerenary mumbles something under his breath. You could not hear the whole phrase, but you think you've heard word "goddamn", and it's quite obvious that HexaDoken isn't fond of the idea of seeing the seer.

I wanted to point out that it's her name, not her job, so it should be written beginning with a capital letter. Just for flavor.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 07, 2012, 08:00
Hmm... l'll still treat is as a title, since if I didn't understand that, I'm damn sure neither did MkLear =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 07, 2012, 08:12
Oops. Edi- altho wait not, I'll leave that as is, because much like MkLear my character has no idea if that's a name :P

Also, apparently, something broke up badly, so I won't be away for 2 full weeks like originally intended. I will depart 9th and should get back around 16th. Woo for the game.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 07, 2012, 08:18
Well, you still write titles in capitals. ;P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on July 07, 2012, 08:30
Yeah, but you have an idea and you are the ones writing, not your characters, so what's the problem? It's not like you can hear capital letters in names. It's just about the narration's integrity, without it reading is uncomfortable.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 07, 2012, 16:02
Hey guys, is anybody into this webcomic (http://servantsoftheimperium.com/) by chance?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 08, 2012, 00:26
Hmmm, looks like a cross between Dork Tower and Cyanide&Happiness, hadn't seen it before. I'll check it out. Meanwhile:

"Everybody in this village is someone looking at they don't take kindly", replies Father Clem. "Beginning with mutated guardsmen, through renegade priests and witches, ending with Skitarii cyborg running rampant. Don't you think you'd stray from the crowd with these easily concealable quirks... We'd all end up against the wall."

I don't usually like to point this out (unless you ask for it of course, Sylith ;] ), but in this case the mistakes in grammar/words leave me unable to decide what it is you meant... I think

"Everybody in this village is someone looking at they don't take kindly"

should read "Everybody in this village looks like someone they don't take kindly to", but the actual problem is

Don't you think you'd stray from the crowd with these easily concealable quirks... We'd all end up against the wall."[/i]

since the way I understand it, Clem is telling me that although I'm just another mutant in a village of mutants, it's actually going to be because of me if and when the Redemption/Inquisition/other pious morons come rushing in... Can you either explain this one or put it in other words?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 08, 2012, 02:57
What he meant was that if Redemptionists kick in, everybody gets shot and you wouldn't be an exception.

And no, there is no real mistake here.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 08, 2012, 03:42
In the latter case, the mistake appears to be in my interpretation - with your added explanation, I can see what you mean. I still fail to understand how looking like a bipedal lizard classifies as 'easily concealable'...

Maybe I'm just overthinking this (http://lolsnaps.com/news/26931/0/)...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on July 08, 2012, 04:45
Quote from: LuckyDee

Quote from:  Silharr
"Everybody in this village is someone looking at they don't take kindly"

should read "Everybody in this village looks like someone they don't take kindly to"
Or maybe just...
"Looking at everybody in this village is not the thing they take kindly"? [I know, "something" would be better, but I want to point this out.]
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 08, 2012, 04:58
I understand where you're going, but in this case it doesn't make sense: the person(s) 'looking' are the same as the person(s) 'not taking kindly', which implies they're taking offense at something they are doing themselves. Or taking offense at 'being forced to look at a mutant' instead of simply 'seeing one'. It's a fine line, mind you.

I have/had no intention of turning this into English 101, but in this case I simply wasn't sure of what was being said, so I rewrote the grey bits the way I thought they'd add up with what I expected the post to understand.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 08, 2012, 06:56
Hey guys, is anybody into this webcomic (http://servantsoftheimperium.com/) by chance?

Crap. I've finished it already. How often does that update? I hope it's more often than... holy shit! Gone with the Blastwave has a new update!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 08, 2012, 08:33
SotI updates every sunday, as far as I am concerned. Unless the author gets struck by OH HELL I'M SO LAZY.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 09, 2012, 05:36
Departing right now. Will be back in a week or so. If something really important happens, feel free to knock my character uncoscious so he isn't staying right there like a zombie.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 15, 2012, 07:27
Boo. I was going to arrive tomorrow, but someone failed something so my comeback is delayed. ETA is Wednesday.

Not that it really matters, considering the huge progress leap that you made while I was away.

EDIT: I am back. Woot.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 20, 2012, 14:47
And welcome back! It appears we're in a little bit of a lull. Esther will likely be around again soon, so who knows...

I'd be glad to rush the conversations along, but unfortunately Lazerus isn't the type :S
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 20, 2012, 23:15
I'd be glad to rush some conversations as well, but now we are speaking with a psyker - HD doesn't get along those well.

Or rather, doesn't get along at all.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 23, 2012, 09:46
I'd be glad to rush the conversations along, but unfortunately Lazerus isn't the type :S

Does it mean that he is mute and/or paralyzed?

Seriously, the plot will never go on if you keep this attitude.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on July 23, 2012, 10:33
I just feel like I'm not welcome here.
Or maybe I just simply don't get it, but when someone offers me help and invites me to his house, I react somehow. Not just stand and pretend I didn't hear him/I'm invisible.
Ok, I used to hide behind mommy's skirt when I was ~7, but... is MkLear your mommy and are you seven y.o., guys?
I can even understand this hiding-behind-skirt thing, but maybe you'll write about it?

I'm sorry if interaction with other people is painful to you, but we're not moving to "slashing-goblins" part without it. And if you just want to read some other people, go read a book, because I don't feel like talking to myself.

Seriously, last Silharr's post is mainly written by me. I asked him to send it because I wanted to see if your commitment in play will grow when you realize that you're not dealing with another NPC. And I'm strongly disappointed that it didn't.
I came up with Tamara and all the talk with her to give you some impression of my girl - of how she talks, how she deals with other people in the village. I emphasized the fact that she has some band on her eyes but in some strange way she seems able to see you.
None of this gives you anything to begin with? No thoughts, no strange feeling, nothing?
Or you simply don't give a damn about it and all my effort is for nothing? If so, please say it now, so I could focus on other PBFs where people at least try.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 24, 2012, 05:19
Just a quick post - my internet connection is... not working properly. Sometimes (like now) I get a couple of minutes of slow internet but I'm mostly offline. I'll let you know when the trouble stops.

Edit: OK, I'll try to go into more detail now. There seems to be something wrong with either the modem or the cable. Our ISP so far only suggested to wiggle the cables (aside from the standard turning everything off and on I've already done a million times) and if that doesn't help, they'll send somebody over who will hopefully be able to fix it. I'm hoping they'll get here today, though it could be later this week. I hope not.

Anyway, I'll see if I can post something IC when I can, but if there's no new post in the next hour, consider me gone for a while and feel free to play without me by any means necessary.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 24, 2012, 10:18
"If this isn't it," - says he after a few seconds, - "then I'm out of ideas."

Blegh - I was getting to that; I was waiting for the Seer to respond to my sort-of-question, after which I would have asked you to hand over the gem, since I'd already looked for and spotted the similarities between her and the guy who got shot in front of us, back on the ship. This broken-up method of communicating is one of the big downsides of PBF, imo D:

EDIT: I'm still posting what would have been my response. Sil, in light of our short conversation yesterday, please let me know what you think.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 25, 2012, 06:24
Godkarmachine O Inary! Klear, you seem to have infected me with internet troubles.

The interesting thing about them is that IRC clients, QIP and other stuff like that completely ignore said troubles. Like bosses. I dunno what magic they posess.

Since trying to launch any browser instantly freezes the computer 99% of the time, I will have heavy troubles noticing posts. Please, slap me a few times in the chat periodically :P
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 25, 2012, 08:26
Sounds like some sort of spyware to me, though if it is the case with multiple browsers... not sure.

Anyway, a guy from my ISP will come sometime tomorrow and hopefully fix it. (I'm at my sister's place right now)

Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 25, 2012, 12:28
It is. My stupid parents were stupid enough to go on not-so-thrusty sites without NoScript on. Here is the result.

The problem is that this virus seems to be relatively new, since no antivirus is able to detect it. So I am quite fucked up until someone will find it.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 25, 2012, 15:01
Ive got good results with ewido security tools, or better yet, hijack this, though that one is one of the for-experienced-users-only programs. If I get the internet fixed tomorrow, I could guide you through the removal through irc. Ive got plenty of experience with such things.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 25, 2012, 15:14
Hmmm.. once again there are at least two conversations going in parallel here. I propose to simply pretend they are taking place one after another for now. It hurts my brain to imagine that the Seer is switching between them with each sentence. We may have already agreed to something like that in the past, not sure about that, but anyway it cant hurt to propose it again.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on July 25, 2012, 16:58
I don't know where is the problem now, really. I'm not "switching with each sentence", I'm answering only one of you at the time. It's mostly someone-me-someone-me and so on. ;)  What's so strange with people interrupting?
And if you're talking about the last one... Hexa asks what the gem is, Lijah comments he doesn't want to know... The Seer listens to both of you and then answers. Pretty normal to me. It's not like four of you are asking four different questions and then I'm answering them all at once like "going back in time".

But, what is more important and why I'm writing here... I'm going to my sister tomorrow today* morning and I'll be staying for the night, so don't panic if I won't be writing anything. (Still might, but won't promise anything. Writing on a smartphone = meh.)
I'll be back around Friday evening, I think.

*It's 0057 and I should be asleep. Oh, and sorry for any mistakes I might missed, but I can't think too clearly right now.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 27, 2012, 10:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWizDna1XO4

TWO HUNDRETS OF EXP FOR NOTHING IN PARTICULAR

I by the way find it funny that I was awarded it for doing something I don't really even know about. I totally didn't know that this gem is a prison or something.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 27, 2012, 11:27
You made significant progress in a sidequest and didn't ask for any reward. Plus roleplaying. Plus other stuff I didn't like to make separate awards for.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on July 27, 2012, 11:39
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Since Lazerus was already sitting next to Seer who sat at his side, all he had to do was to turn towards her.
And what Silharr meant was "pay attention to what other people are writing", because I don't know how
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food and drink turn out to be self-service

since

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She stops for a while, pouring some clean water into cups. She gives them to you and speaks again...
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Fishes on the grill just started to fizzle, reminding of themselves. She goes to take them off and serve them on plates.
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She doesn't answer at first, laying plates on the ground and sitting next to Lazerus.

...I already served everything and gave it to you. ;)

Not so important, but it says something about her hospitality and I don't want you all to get confused. Or maybe I just made some mistakes and you didn't get it, happens.



And I'm back, but unsure if able to write anything today, headache is killing me since yesterday. :|
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on July 27, 2012, 12:17
Mea maxima culpa. I hardly have any time to keep track of this, but wanted to show I'm determined to show commitment. I read

Mercerenary then takes the plate.

"Any spoons or forks around?"

and deduced the plates were set down for us, requiring me to stand up and get mine as well.

I'll update my post accordingly.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 27, 2012, 13:16
Oh crap Sil why you're so evil. He was just going to stay outside!

Well, I have thought that giving the gem might help us to stabilize our relations with the Seer. I still don't believe psykers and such, but she happens to be the only one who might know what on earth we need to do. And we need that information badly.

If not only that, I would go out with Klear. And suffer doom. God thank you I was a bit smarter.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on July 27, 2012, 13:32
Hi there......
Sorry I've been out of play a lot longer than I expected. I've been in the hospital for 4 days last week and it took me a lot longer to get back on my feet than I had thought. So I'll read everything tomorrow and Xilla will be back a.s.p.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on July 27, 2012, 13:39
Oh hi there, Esther! I hope you're alright. What Lucky told us sounded pretty serious...

When it comes to your character, let's take it as if Xilla was following the team all the time, but saying nothing. This way you can get back into action without any plot holes.
You find yourself inside the Seer's house, you're eating some jelly-looking fish and sharing information. Also, Lijah MkLear is unconscious and laying at the doorstep for no known reason.

Fine to have you by again.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 27, 2012, 13:47
Yo.
It was kinda funny to have you following us around but doing nothing and saying nothing, but whatever.
Would be also incredibly funny to have you lose consciouness before and then SUDDENLY regain it just two seconds or so after MkLear fell down. But I guess that would cause too many plot holes.
Less than it does now tho.

I hope it's all alright at you?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on July 28, 2012, 12:02
So I'm back. It doesn't hurt much anymore. I just get tired so quickly it's insane. But they say it will take 6 weeks and this is only the second, so I guess I just have to be patient. It would not be to strange for Xilla not to say anything. She is used to this kind of thing and goes with the flow.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 28, 2012, 13:01
Well, "not talking much" and "looking like a stone statue on the wheels" are two different things :P. But whatever.

Also, yay, I was called an ungrateful bastard. Good way to go, HexaDoken!

And oh damn. I hate when this happens. On one hand, nobody doesn't bother you as much, on the other hand, it's usually accompanied with the feeling when you are too tired to do anything else than rest but in the same time you're goddamn bored of rest. And it is just awful.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on July 28, 2012, 16:51
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the feeling when you are too tired to do anything else than rest but in the same time you're goddamn bored of rest. And it is just awful.
Hey Hexa, that's a realy great description of how I've been feeling most of the time after surgery ;p
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on July 29, 2012, 02:10
It would not be to strange for Xilla not to say anything. She is used to this kind of thing and goes with the flow.

Well, that seems to be way you all usually act, but at least somebody is going to have to drop that now that I'm dead unconsciuos resting.

Also, hope your recovery goes well.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on July 30, 2012, 13:02
Thanx! If I was there Xilla would have said more........
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on July 30, 2012, 23:13
*awkward silence*

Oh well. I seem to be more talky than others, so I'll probably take on MkLear's role while he is KO'd.
...unless someone gets too lucky with initiative rolls, that is...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 04, 2012, 03:18
I decided not to read the IC thread while I'm still unconscious, so... when (if?) MkLear wakes up, give me a poke, ok?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 04, 2012, 04:45
Sure. Not much going on lately...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 04, 2012, 04:50
Yeah... my post was going to be a complaint about the lack of activity which I can do nothing about in my current state, but then I decided it will be better to just be patient, so I posted that instead =p
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on August 09, 2012, 01:54
Guess we were just waiting for the Seer to answer Lazerus question...... I hate waiting but a lot of times I don't wanna mess up the timeline. I don't think bitching about other peoples inactivity helps much. We waited for info from Silhar a lot, we waited for other people to answer things, but it takes the fun out of the game.
So I'll just start writing stuff when I get sick of waiting and other people bitching about it and see were it gets me.......
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 09, 2012, 02:23
I'm trying hard not to bitch too much about incativity - if you think I do it, just ignore me... I'll do my best to keep it to a minimum =P

Ironically enough, I just got a new job, so I have much less free time (writing from work ATM though), so if I weren't unconscious, I could have been the one causing delays. Despite that, I'm anxious to see where the story will go from here.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 09, 2012, 03:46
The truth is, I messed up this time, because I had to provide Sylith with some additional information. I'll try to do it soon, but lately I'm also a bit out of time.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 09, 2012, 03:49
I'll take it as a challenge for myself to see if I can think of any other things I can do while unconscious =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on August 09, 2012, 23:15
Well, I was pretty much waiting for Seer to answer. Since no answer was seen after quite a while, I was thinking about writing something to drive the conversation away, but every time I was hitting "reply" button, my head was getting hit by various objects of various size and weight. So welp.

Also, I cannot help but notice that Klear's writing skill increases dramatically while being drunk. Must try that too some time.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 09, 2012, 23:25
Same here, except for being hit by stuff ;)

At least something's going on again, we'll see where it leads.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 10, 2012, 02:13
Also, I cannot help but notice that Klear's writing skill increases dramatically while being drunk. Must try that too some time.

It's a time tested method, but it has its pitfalls. Also, I had the rough idea about what to write for a few hours in my head.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 12, 2012, 03:50
Ok, got what I needed, going to respond. Sorry for delay, I should have told you all, but it just had to be this way. I really don't want to improvise once again due to lack of info I should have. ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 12, 2012, 11:58
No need to feel ashamed for me - on the one hand I'm anxious to find out more about the Seer, and I've been keeping watch for new posts, but on the other hand I'm too freaking busy for the last couple of weeks to notice another day or two delay in response. Now let's see what you had to say...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on August 13, 2012, 05:20
Screw you internet for spacing out exactly when someone finally posted something.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 22, 2012, 10:42
I took the liberty of rolling Scrutiny in deciding whether or not the Seer is still mucking about or genuinely clueless as to what Lazerus is hinting at. I rolled a 4 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3664916/), so I guess I can safely consider that a success taking into account any penalties Silhar may want to impose. In my opinion the Seer is a) our contact and not telling us straight up or b) offering help but has a highly annoying personality, might now of our mission but is not directly involved. If the roll is declared invalid or I'm otherwise unable to find out for sure, I'm going with b).

Then you're going with b).
It's that I'm strictly against rolling non-combat things against other players.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 22, 2012, 11:35
What a waste of a perfectly good 4 ;)

b) it is... here I go!
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 22, 2012, 12:00
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"...tell us what you know you must?"
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"What makes you think I must do something?"
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"If you don't know why you must..."
I, um.... what? 'Cause I'm really confused right now and I can honestly say I can't understand Laz's response - and what I mean by this, is that it feels totally out of context. She just said there is no "must do" for her, so... We did not understand each other or he's just playing stupid?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 22, 2012, 12:05
Based on hints the Seer was giving, Lazerus was expecting her to be the contact for Van Bohr, in which case she would indeed be obliged to admit. He could of course not come out and say so directly, in case he would be giving away the group's identity as Acolytes (in a town full of muties and outcasts, yay!).

Although Lazerus genuinely respects the hospitality, the Seer's failure to talk straight is getting on his nerves really fast. So yeah, he's playing stupid to some extent, but either the Seer is as well and Lazerus is under no obligation to blink first, or the she isn't and as such will never be any wiser about it.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 22, 2012, 12:34
Oh my, what's so not-straight in her last answer that makes it impossible to understand? She's not speaking in riddles, really.
Anyway, I think I got what you mean (no matter how wrong the way you think feels), but this still looks for me like "I like potatoes" - with the same connection to her last words. And makes me wonder how she should react... with no other idea than "he's gone mad, poor fella, talking with no sense and stuff".
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 22, 2012, 12:41
what's so not-straight in her last answer

Well, everything, really. It's not an answer to the question Lazerus asked, it's diverting attention away from the question by focusing on something else Lazerus said and then turning the situation around again, thereby laying the initiative back at Lizardface. That's exactly the reason why he gets fed up: the Seer doesn't answer questions, she dances around them and has others give the answers for her.

This is Lazerus' train of thought, and regardless of what others think or feel, it feels totally natural and valid to me. I kinda like it, really.

On the other hand, I thought you were actually consciously playing the character like this. Both Lazerus and I could be wrong, but luckily that's no reason to stop and change course :)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 22, 2012, 13:12
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Well, everything, really. It's not an answer to the question Lazerus asked
So what answer would you give to question like that? An example, please. Because I can't imagine. Laz based the question on the "must do" of hers and thinking she's bluffing - which makes it totally wrong, if there is no "must do" nor bluff, so she corrected that. It's like... "So why do you like potatoes?" - "I don't." ( - "How can you not know why do you like potatoes?")
It's Laz, who's "dancing around questions", not asking straight, making an assumptions and trying to read between the lines while there's nothing to read. She just gave you some strange nicknames, anything else seems pretty clear to me. She said she can help a few times before already - just ask - but there is no straight question like "where can we find this guy?" etc. She's not gonna read your mind to impose with her help, if that's what's you're expecting.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 22, 2012, 13:24
The only answer I'm expecting is something along the lines of "Van Bohr sent you to me / I know you are Acolytes". If she can't or won't say, Lazerus definitely won't be the first to flash his badge. It's like going to a Snoop Dogg gig and putting on a KKK mask halfway during the second song: very bad for the teeth.

Like I said, the Seer hinted at these things previously - or so Lazerus seems to think, and thus he tries to coax her into actually saying what she knows. If she does nothing more than hint, she's nothing more than just another fortune-teller to Lazerus, all words and no message. Be advised that although the new arrivals may have to prove themselves to the Seer and other villagers, the same of course also works the other way around.

And I have no problems with this either; Lazerus will simply think he has misread/misunderstood, but feel he's done the right thing by not giving in.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 22, 2012, 13:42
Ok, got it, but I'm not gonna tell you what to do to get the answer you want (although I already did this, and she did this, and whatever). Laz's motives are not what I'm about and it is not the thing that helps me in any way.
I started this, because I see completely no sense in last conversation which is like:
"Why do you like it?"
"I don't."
"If you don't know why do you like it, we have nothing to talk about."

I just wanted to know if you meant this, thinking it might be some kind of mistake - yours, which you might want to change - or mine, which obviously affects the Seer's response.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 23, 2012, 02:14
In response to your last post, I've gone through the IC thread again, and picked out all the (important) lines that compose what could have been a coherent conversation, if not for all the other players indecently blabbing straight through it :)

This is what I found:

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Seer: But you surely want something from me. Looking for someone, right?...And one would think that The Bald Man does not hire people whose main trait is arrogance.

Lazerus: Just what do you think you know about us?

Seer: I know more than you can think I do, though you need not to fear... Unless I will have to keep speaking so loudly about it

Lazerus: We were told to see you

Seer: [no response]

Lazerus: So tell us... You clearly know more about us than we would expect from any random encounter.

Seer: [no response]

Lazerus: Would you then start by enlightening us on what you appear to know about us?

Seer: [no response]

Lazerus: Lady, I understand and respect your position, as I assume you do ours, and thus see the importance of my question. Please do not withhold your enlightenment any longer.

Seer: What if I told you there are more things and powers in this world, than you ever imagined?...What if I told you I can read your mind or see you in many more ways you could ever think about?...Or maybe I am just a spy, able to find any information I would like to?...What would you prefer to believe?

Lazerus: So why not stop messing about and either drop your bluff or tell us what you know you must?

The Seer sets thing off with a hint, upon which Lazerus asks a straightforward question. At first he gets more hints in response, then nothing for a while, then hints again. To Lazerus, this just sounds like she's trying her best not to give any answers, either because she doesn't know - which I/he highly doubt(s) - or because she's so used to having people dance to her tune because of her gift, that she won't stop doing so - which Lazerus strongly resents - just because it's PCs asking the question.

I don't think your potato-metaphor, so to speak, fits the conversation Laz and the Seer were having so far. I also don't think the Seer did give Lazerus an answer. If I missed it, please point it out to me, because as a player I really am completely clueless in this regard. I fear most the discussion we've been having is based on a number of relatively small misunderstanding, both IC and OOC, and I truly wish there'd be an easy way of avoiding this.

BTW, I'll say this again: I as a player have no problems whatsoever with the Seer behaving the way I understood her to behave, I think it makes for a more interesting character even. It would be a shame if both you and I are aiming for more-or-less the same thing, and somehow failing miserably due to things that are lost in translation.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 23, 2012, 03:47
You did not understand me, did you? As I said, I don't care about before and I don't care about your thoughts as a player or Laz's motives. All I care is last 3 lines, because your last response is like "if you don't know why you like potatoes, then you don't know everything!" when someone just said he hates potatoes - totally out of context.

But, let me explain if you need it - if someone interrupted or she had more important things to care or talk about, like a gem or Lijah falling, it happened. Not gonna change it, and if you didn't notice, that was some time ago, because she wanted to feed you first and then talk. Yes, the most of "not answering" was "eat first, we'll talk later".
Secundo, conversation is not only you, but also other players and I think I already said before that I'm not gonna act like other's posts happen in some different dimension. Notice she didn't answer at some point because MkLear was losing consciousness and that was a little more important at the moment. Or someone interrupted referring to something before-the-Laz's-question, so she wanted to finish one matter before starting another - is that unusual?

Not to mention that you should not confuse my absence to the Seer's lack of response and that is what you did in your last example. Seriously, Lucky, do you want me now to post every 15 minutes without you posting anything, suggesting Laz is ignoring the Seer? I'd rather accept that someone has no time to post and so should you.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 23, 2012, 05:14
You did not understand me, did you?

That's what I said, and sadly, I still don't. And I fear the same goes the other way around.

I could fire off another number of replies to point out where things don't make sense to me, or where you are simply wrong, but since discussing it is clearly going nowhere, I'm going to stop trying to as well. I've given you my/Lazerus' outlook on the story, which I'm sticking to since I haven't heard anything that should convince to do otherwise yet. If you sincerely don't care about those, there's little else to say anyhow.

I'll be happy to continue the game without this understanding.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 23, 2012, 05:37
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I've given you my/Lazerus' outlook on the story
And that is the point.
All I wanted is to know if you really meant Laz to say something like this, not just made a simple mistake because of, lets say, lack of sleep - because it feels really out of context to me. ;)

I'm not here to ask you about your or Laz's thoughts, because it does not help me in any way. Why would it? My knowledge is not my character's knowledge. Yeah, it might be nice to know, but in fact it's just useless - it can't affect IC. And this is why I "do not care" - I didn't mean to offend you, just point out it's not what I'm asking about.

But if you really meant this, then it's EOT, all I wanted to know.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 23, 2012, 08:31
Thanks, that clears things up a bit. I did indeed make deliberate choices based on the information as I've interpreted it, and whether or not Lazerus is right is fine by me either way.

As a player, I would rather understand you/your character better - which I do to some extent, thanks to this discussion - as I would like you as a player to do too in respect to me/Lazerus. I hope things have been cleared up for you a bit, too. The fact that it feels out of context to you while it makes perfect sense to me, does give me the idea that we can still win a lot of ground there, which might make things run a little more smoothly.

So let's just continue the IC in the knowledge that it'll probably take a while for the Seer and Lazerus to understand each other and see what that brings to the story. From the point of view of the game itself, it makes no difference whether we're enemies/friends/lovers/whatever.

Oh and PS: what does the T in EOT stand for?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 23, 2012, 08:55
End Of Transmission, I believe.

Also, I was following this conversation only on the surface to avoid finding out what exactly is going on IC, but as long as it isn't blocking game progress too much, misunderstandings among characters springing from those of players are great. I've been doing my best to cause internal conflicts from the start, and this will make it that much easier =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on August 24, 2012, 05:45
For the record: I saw the Seer's last reply IC, but am as of yet in doubt as to what Laz would answer, or how he'd react. Moreover, I'd also like to give HD or Xilla a chance to contribute - although it seems Es has been otherwise occupied for a couple of days.

Glad to have the IC thread going again though, and only slightly embarrassed that it took such a long discussion OOC to get there. At least by having Van Bohr's name out in the open, Lazerus' first (unspoken) questions are answered, and he can make up his mind as to which way to turn next.

Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Kabrinski on August 27, 2012, 07:06
Uh...so how do you play this?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 27, 2012, 07:39
Like that, I guess. (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.0.html)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Kabrinski on August 27, 2012, 20:37
Well most the RPs I've designed and played are basically like stories and you write the narritive-basically do your own thing. D:
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on August 27, 2012, 23:50
You play it with magic. A magic that is called "narration" and "staying in character".
The only exclusion is when things prove to be too hot to handle, where Strife begins. There you equip your trusty set of dices and deal with over9000 overcomplex combat mechanics and stuff.
But other than that, you play it on pure magic.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Esther on August 28, 2012, 01:25
Changed my message in IC. This way it makes more sense to me, as Xilla is the last to leave.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Kabrinski on August 28, 2012, 03:32
You play it with magic. A magic that is called "narration" and "staying in character".
The only exclusion is when things prove to be too hot to handle, where Strife begins. There you equip your trusty set of dices and deal with over9000 overcomplex combat mechanics and stuff.
But other than that, you play it on pure magic.

Yeah, I've done RPs before dude-I know that. But the complicate combat mechanics and every other thing involved-I think I'll just stick to the RPs I've been playing on another site-especially after taking a look at a character sheet.

These are the RPs I usallly play-http://www.archaerion.com/index.php?sid=ddaf9598c9c0d9059b8d1a21d2f4f927 (http://www.archaerion.com/index.php?sid=ddaf9598c9c0d9059b8d1a21d2f4f927)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 28, 2012, 04:33
Been gone for quite an amount of time, shesh.

Soon we're back to regular playing, boys and girls. Brace up.

Kabrinski, want to join up?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 28, 2012, 04:36
The mechanics don't really stand in the way. So far they have been invoked only on one occasion (if I remember correctly) in combat and it was Silhar doing the math. It makes sense - you can have your character shoot at an enemy and then hit him according your character's skill, but you can't have your character shoot out his enemy's eyes just because you want to.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 28, 2012, 04:38
If you have no mechanics, it's called storytelling.
And if you don't get "how do we play this", I'd suggest you to simply pick up some RPG handbook and read it. In most I've seen there is a chapter like "what is this and how do you play it".

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Soon we're back to regular playing, boys and girls. Brace up.
Hey, they just went out
and this is craaazyyy!
But here's the IC (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.msg50586.html#new)
so write something maybe?

[I'm really sorry if I hurt your brainz.]
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 28, 2012, 04:53
But here's the IC (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5762.msg50586.html#new)
so write something maybe?

No can do =(
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Kabrinski on August 28, 2012, 05:59
I know how to play a traditional pencil-paper RPG folks, I just didn't really think you could apply traditional mechanics-henceforth my half-hearted attempts at an RPG-Doom Hellhole being a prime example.

THough I may try to impliment some actual mechanics in wasteland-it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 28, 2012, 06:30
Applying the mechanics into a PBF is not a difficult task to accomplish, it's also believed that it makes hosting the game a lot easier. If one decides to use such thing, all the rolls are mostly either made by GM himself, or by the means of some online roll generator (like invisiblecastle.com, my personal favorite).
But there's an old truth - mechanics have to be simple enough not to kill gameplay. I had many problems trying to host a Deadlands or Wolsung game, because you just can't solve the matter of playing cards usage via forum board. If I may suggest - Traveller is fine for sci-fi games, as well as Cortex. Savage Worlds are pretty fun to implement, yet the pen'n'paper game itself is hard to balance properly...
So far, the best one I've ever tried to engage is New World of Darkness, being pretty elastic, simple and intuitive.

Making your own mechanics is a tough job. Tried this once or twice, but hurt my head severely.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Sylith on August 28, 2012, 06:41
@Kabrinski
I think any of us will be happy to help, but if I might suggest... maybe make another topic for this, if you need anything else?

(OOC is longer than IC, it's getting awkward.)

@Klear
That was meant only for Silharr. Fear not, you will be forced to talk with the Seer any time now... :3


Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Kabrinski on August 28, 2012, 07:05
Alright-will do.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Reef Blastbody on August 28, 2012, 10:27
Could someone do up a cast/synopsis of the game so far? Nothing novella sized, just like a little intro to a play.

Example :

The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark is a tragedy by William Shakespeare. Set in the Kingdom of Denmark, the play dramatizes the revenge Prince Hamlet exacts on his uncle Claudius for murdering King Hamlet.

Klear - Hamlet, son of the former King, and nephew of the current King
Sylith - Claudius, King of Denmark, and Hamlet's uncle
Esther - Polonius, Lord Chamberlain

Except, y'know, for The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 28, 2012, 10:50
The way your request was written made my day. So, there you go:

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The thing is set on a Hive World of Malfi. As seen in Core Rulebook, Malfian Nobility is a bunch of self-absorbed pricks, endlessly plotting against each other. Somehow, Lord Governor of the Calixis Sector manages to look in another direction if something brutal occurs, but this time one of the Noblemen gets accused of financially supporting the local rebellion. The consequences are grim - The Inquisition kicks in and starts the investigation. The air suddenly smells with fire, steel and rotten guts.

How do you delve into such individual's deepest secrets without alarming his peers that they should expect Imperial Inquisition?
The Inquisitor hires a bunch of worst bastards he could find to get into, blend with and gain support of one of the most numerous criminal organizations of the Underhive, because rumor has it that the leader of the pack is - completely coincidentally, of course - planning on a heist, right in the hypothetical rebel's mansion.

Of course, they are most probably going to die trying, for the Underhive is a really bad place to live in...

There will be some intrigue, some more violent shootouts, and - most of all - some moral dilemmas for those who just buy this kind of stuff. What's the difference between the Crime Lord's attack dog and the Inquisition's attack dog, anyway?

Dramatis Personae:
(in order of, well, remembrance?)

Klear as Lijah MkLear - quick-talking dashing rogue from the world of Tanith. Hides some dark secrets to be revealed later.
LuckyDee as Lazerus - gun-totting bandit of lizard-like appearance. His most notable skill is staring blankly for undefined amount of time.
HexaDoken as himself - unemotional, laid-back gun for hire. His back looks like a swiss cheese, a dozen holes punched with gunfire. These are of sentimental value, since the mercenary refuses to be patched up.
Esther as Xilla - sneaky assassin from the Moritat Death Cult, sent by the Inquisitor to "keep an eye for these dirtbags in case they'd done something stupid".
Sylith as The Seer - walking enigma. It's hard to decide if she's just an exotic, sophisticated fortune teller, or an inquisitorial agent in disguise. Or both.
Silharr as The Game "Master" - "Absolutely! I'm da boss!" - He claims that reading makes it harder to host the game, so he doesn't, just throwing in random people and events.

So far, we managed to:
- Irk the Inquisitor. Do bear in mind, he's half-machine and generally not prone to being irked.
- Enter Hive Malfi's sewers;
- Avoid getting eaten by a monstrous spider, by means of shooting his ass off;
- Get radiation sickness;
- Avoid drowning in a hangar full of leaky pipes;
- Get to the outlaw village down below the Malfi city;
- Meet the Seer and inquiry her for a long, long time. Also, eat a fish.

And all that only after 22 pages of rough role-playing!

Now, the group is heading towards the village saloon. I feel for them. I wouldn't play it sober, too.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Reef Blastbody on August 28, 2012, 11:24
Awesome, thanks.

I started laughing so hard at

 
So far, we managed to:

- Avoid drowning in a hangar full of leaky pipes;

Just because it reminded me of Metal Gear Solid 2, when Raiden calls the Colonel on his CODEC and and is totally pumped.

"Colonel! We've managed to avoid drowning!"
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on August 28, 2012, 23:46
Holy hell I can't stop laughing at that. I was going to write something but I guess I won't be able to do anything sensible for next half an hour.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 29, 2012, 02:14
I love the "His most notable skill is staring blankly for undefined amount of time."

Also, holy Throne! Our GM is a greenskin!

Silharr as The Game "Master" - "Absolutely! I'm da boss!"
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 29, 2012, 03:21
Uh, nope. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 29, 2012, 03:24
Too late. I'm already subconsciously reading all your posts in the voice of a Warcraft 2 Grunt...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Reef Blastbody on August 29, 2012, 06:59
Warboss Silhar.

"Oi, clear out youse gitz! Quit muckin' around; I'm da boss!"
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 29, 2012, 14:31
Woohoo! Back in action =)

Anyway, I wasn't really following what's been going on while I was passed out, so I'm actually asking "Where am I?" OOC as well.

Also, any special way we're dealing with the split party situation, or will we just play like normal, only with two strands going parallel? Or maybe MkLear should get to the pub ASAP... I like the irony here - the plan was to go get drunk and leave the rest in the hut and the opposite happened =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on August 29, 2012, 15:08
As long as you feel like it - we're going two parallel narrations here.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on August 29, 2012, 23:48
We have left you for Seer to take care of. So you're wherever she felt like placing you, I guess.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on August 30, 2012, 03:18
Wonderful. BTW, Sylith, should you want MkLear to know what went on while he was unconscious, just state that she tells him and I'll take that as a signal to read the last two pages. If the conversation turns that way that is.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on September 03, 2012, 12:09
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's back. Good to see stuff's been happening. I feel jibbed though:

LuckyDee as Lazerus - gun-totting bandit of lizard-like appearance. His most notable skill is staring blankly for undefined amount of time.

I actually shot someone too. The wrong target, granted, but still...

Now for some action.
Please explain this one though:

You're too tired to examine the disclosure.

I think you mean something else.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 03, 2012, 14:27
As in "you're too tired to examine the discovery" or "you're too tired to examine the finding".

Also, dirtnail decided to leave the squad. I'm going to have to roleplay his character, too.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on September 04, 2012, 04:07
How come I am too tired to examine that thing. That cannot possibly happen.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 04, 2012, 04:29
It's dark, you're wounded and haven't slept at all since your visit to the spaceship, plenty of hours ago. Meanwhile, you got shot, you fought off a giant spider, ran like hell and got a bit irradiated.
I don't believe that you would be happy to take a deep gaze at some Emperor-damned statue on your way to the bar instead of just walking in there and, well, having something to drink.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on September 05, 2012, 04:46
The followers of Ashenzari are ready to explore whatever, whenever and wherever. They are all aware, or are at least pretending to be all aware. No thing in their sight will be left unexplored.

Also, all this suddenly brings me to a question. Can a guardsman pave his way into Space Marines? Not that I'm going to pull that off in this campagin(you'd probably kill all the damn life out of me before I get a chance), but just hypotetically.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 05, 2012, 05:43
Also, all this suddenly brings me to a question. Can a guardsman pave his way into Space Marines? Not that I'm going to pull that off in this campagin(you'd probably kill all the damn life out of me before I get a chance), but just hypotetically.

Not a chance... even if it were possible for a lowly guardsman to be considered for this (it isn't), you'd have to be very young (13? 15?) to be able to accept the gene-seed (that is, all the implants and stuff which makes the Astartes what they are). Astartes are pretty much demoigods and view all the other "mortals" as such.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 05, 2012, 06:14
Most of Space Marines' Chapters simply clone their men. Few, like Space Wolves recruit them, mostly from feral worlds, but such fellows are trained since early childhood. Then they augment, indoctrinate and train them some more and lo! The marine comes out.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 05, 2012, 06:36
Oh yeah, I forgot I'm currently reading the Horus Heresy series of books where such recruitment is the main (perhaps only?) source of new Astartes, but it takes place 10 000 years earlier, before the galaxy got all fucked up (or rather, it's about how the galaxy got all fucked up).
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on September 06, 2012, 07:11
Shit. My character suddenly makes less sence.
Not that he did make any in the beginning.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 06, 2012, 09:01
If you were hoping for your character to become a space marine, you can still continue with that, only have him be delusional about his chance and no chance of ever realizing that dream. The fact that his goal is unattainable is not an obstacle to good roleplaying, it might even be interesting.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 06, 2012, 10:57
You know, HD, you can always end up being so badass that Space Marines will shit in their power armors at merely a sight of your face.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on September 07, 2012, 04:20
The amount of pages of hard roleplaying that are required to achieve THAT sort of badassery will exceed the limit of pages per topic.

Also, I've suddenly decided to GET SOME EXP SPENT.

Since there isn't anything cool at my current rank, I take an advance in BULLSH- I mean, Ballistic Skill. That allows me to rise to an absolutely new rank, and open a whole bunch of possibilities. Of which I choose...

Dodge and Quick Draw. That throws me halfway up to the next rank and leaves 70 xp unspent.

Unless somebody minds and/or has some better advise(which is always appreciated), I'll go with it.

Character sheet updated accordingly.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 20, 2012, 03:50
Ummm... you guys still alive? It's been two weeks since the last entry... Any estimates on when you'll be able to continue in case some RL stuff is getting in the way?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on September 20, 2012, 10:28
Either Silhar or Sylith have to do something now. So I guess we are now stuck until this something will be done. Dunno about Lucky/Esther, but I am still here, still keeping an eye on this.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on September 20, 2012, 13:14
Yeah I made an account here just to try and join...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 20, 2012, 13:24
Yeah I made an account here just to try and join...

Cool! PM Silhar and try to work something out, I guess. I'm not sure if we still have open player slots, but it's quite possible.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on September 20, 2012, 13:35
I sent him a PM (I think) but i don't know if he's seen it yet.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 20, 2012, 13:47
I'm here.

Feel free to join us, buddy. But make sure you read the first page of this topic, which covers the most important stuff concerning rules of the game.

Been a little busy lately, but here I am, soon I'm gonna rig the game to work. Maybe today evening, who knows...
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on September 21, 2012, 11:00
Should I be starting as a new character or do I get exp to catch up with everyone?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on September 21, 2012, 15:45
Ummm... you guys still alive? It's been two weeks since the last entry... Any estimates on when you'll be able to continue in case some RL stuff is getting in the way?

Hey people, still alive; busy, but not unable to keep track of what's going on. Which is nothing.

I'm waiting for a response from Jesco. Or Silhar's confirmation that he's actually dead and nailed to the barstool to remain upright.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 21, 2012, 19:10
Hey people, still alive; busy, but not unable to keep track of what's going on. Which is nothing.

I'm waiting for a response from Jesco. Or Silhar's confirmation that he's actually dead and nailed to the barstool to remain upright.

That's one neat idea, Dee. I'll get a hammer.

@Rohreg - start a new one, I guess. You're gonna catch up soon enough.

In the morning, I'll try to roll this baby forward.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 22, 2012, 18:34
What about Sylith? I'm kinda stuck until she makes her move, though it might be good to explore one of the two storylines that are happening at a time.

Also, Rohreg, did we manage to get a lurker out of his hiding? =)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on September 23, 2012, 00:15
Well I actually just found you guys the day before I posted, but I am reading up on your adventures so far.

Reminds me of my own group except more functional.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on September 23, 2012, 01:46
except more functional.

Eep. ;)
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 23, 2012, 06:12
Dudes and dudettes, we have a problem.

Sylith resigned. Which means the plot trembles.

I'll need additional time to fix it somehow, unless I'm going to play her character as an NPC.

Stay tuned. There's still hope.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on September 23, 2012, 06:34
OK... did she explain why?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 23, 2012, 08:15
Yes, she did.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: HexaDoken on September 23, 2012, 10:02
Is there a possiblity for her to stay long enough at least to politely roleplay Klear the heck out of her cave? Or that's completely out of question?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: LuckyDee on September 23, 2012, 11:59
Yes, she did.

And...?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 23, 2012, 12:02
And therefore she's out.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 23, 2012, 12:51
Hmmm.. too bad. Hope you'll be able to sort it out somehow.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on September 24, 2012, 20:31
So my class has to be Scum or something scum-like but should my homeworld be Malfi to make explaining my presence easier?

Basically I'm wondering how my character will be introduced and if I can help with that in any way.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 25, 2012, 04:37
There's an idea.

We had a guy (dirtnail) who resigned. Lucky's character, Lazerus, was about to talk to him in a village inn to inquiry about... several things. If you'd like to take his place, I'd be just so damn grateful.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on September 25, 2012, 04:43
Oh, I didn't know dirtnail resigned as well. So right now we have me, Hexadoken, Lucky, Esther and now Rohreg, right?

We ought to use the IRC channel more often.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on September 25, 2012, 05:40
Sure I can take his place, who was he going to be xD?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on September 25, 2012, 05:44
Former ganger scumbag. :D

I'll fill you in on the details... soon enough.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on September 29, 2012, 00:08
I hunger for knowledge. o-o
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Klear on October 04, 2012, 09:19
I hunger for knowledge. o-o

We all do! So... could playing Sylith's Seer as an NPC fix things? Also, I was considering
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Would that help? My guess is that it would make the plot more of a mess, but who knows?
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Rohreg on October 05, 2012, 21:48
That is always a good backup plan.



Always.
Title: Re: [OOC Thread] The Lesser of Two Heresies.
Post by: Silhar on October 06, 2012, 05:51
Bad news coming up.

Got a lot of science to do recently. What I have to do is temporarily freeze the PBF, 'til I have some matters settled.

Stay tuned.