Lucky you... I've never even seen the dragonslayer, not to mention wielded it. I did find the berserker armour twice, but I'd really love to have chance to try to grab this bigass sword.Same. Let's hope we find in some future ao100 run or something.
I read one of 2Dev's mortems a long time ago, he mentioned damageless N! run up to UC to get Dragonslayer to drop every time. I figured this would be a great way to experiment with the Dragonslayer so I was trying to reproduce this.
Since getting all the way to UC damageless on standard N! is out of my league, I tested this with AoOC instead and I managed to get "damageless 100%" by clearing out a pain elemental cave right before UC. I also took under 50 damage in another attempt on the first floor of AoOC, and took *no* damage on UC (basically just grabbed two invulnerability globes right before and ran straight to the AoD). The former dropped an Azrael's Scythe, the latter dropped the Longinus Spear. No Dragonslayer. It may be restricted to standard games =(
Me and my friend speculated about that and he suspects that you need to do some number(about 4 or so) of special levels damageless. Arena and some others. You're not required to play entirely damageless, that's for sure.It is required for spawn DS in UC (of N! skill level of course), but not for picking it up. DS ia also can be spawned absolutly randomly, even in non-Ao100 run.
Also I think that DS is more likely to spawn in one Arch100 game that in seven Ao100 games because any unique may can be generated only one time per game.
It is required for spawn DSThat's exactly what i meant, i know that picking it up has nothing to do with spawning it as it can be randomized.
Though honestly, I am more interested on seeing it with the combination of berserk armor. I don't think anyone has yet done a game with both of them weilded yet?
Most bulky armor has hefty -movespeed. It usually has high melee resistance to compensate. There's nothing wrong with that. You can just stand there and tank their melee attacks while you attack them.IF you ever reach them before dying that is.
Hi,Hi. You shold put all text from your mortem txt (which is stored in doomrl/mortem) between
I have been lurking on this board for quite some time but this is my first post, so hello everyone!
Well, some days ago I was playing an Angel of 666 where I first found the Berserk Armor and then on level 60 the Dragonslayer. Well, was awesome for a while but after some time I became a little bored. I have to admit that I carried the armor around until about the last level (the move speed of that thing kinda kept me from wearing it right away) so until then I was breezing through from exit to exit (lame, I know, but it really became boring after a while...) with a Malek´s armor, Nyarlaptotep´s boots while being Blademaster :-) I was actually hoping to find the Dragonslayer but not that early, lol.
Also, when I killed the Apostle there was some weird error message. I would have posted my mortem but couldn´t figure out how to do so, but if anyone could tell me I would post it (in case anyone wants to read it).
Greets
chag
tags.And now, it's *my* turn to have the DS sitting in front of me, taunting me. :PSpoiler: Screenshot (click to show/hide)
I've already exhausted all the ideas I came up with, none of which worked. :| I think I may just leave this running for a while until I think of something new, but I may end up giving up again. I really hope I get it! With all the multitudes of people picking it up lately, I have a good feeling about it this time. :)
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No, Dragonslayer... I'm playing an Ammochain game. I can't use you. Please stop trying to entice me.
First on 107, now on 119... how many times is this going to show up? If I was actually willing to pick it up, I might even be able to figure out how, given that it's throwing itself at me...
So I guess I'm the last one who didn't ever see the damn thing? Too bad you didn't manage to pick it up...Nope, Klear. I am yet to see it as well.
unless DS has abilities I'm entirely unaware of...
...blocking my technician diamond this run(so is a complete lack of chainsaws - how do I get 3x DS and not a single chainsaw?)
Hey Klear, Skarczew, start up an AAo666 game quick! The RNG has declared it Dragonslayer day! :DHaha, nice!
If it's not considered too spoily, can someone who has picked it up at least indicate whether the conditions are something anyone can fulfill on any floor, or if they're such that if the right random circumstances aren't present(say, It involves a phase device or some such, and you're not carrying one, and there's not one on the level) you simply won't be able to achieve it?You can meet the "primary" criteria with any character. However, the "secondary" condition(s) have shifted a bit from version to version, so you may need to hold on to a particular item, or have some RNG co-operation.
If it's not considered too spoily, can someone who has picked it up at least indicate whether the conditions are something anyone can fulfill on any floor...
...so you may need to hold on to a particular item, or have some RNG co-operation.
One further question related to the forums: how do I elaborate on the text within tags like spoiler or hyperlink? I took a web design class ages ago, and can no longer remember how to include any additional text in there.
On a (presumably) related note, is there some special combo involving the Berserker armor and Dragonslayer? Cause right now I'm considering finishing off my cybernano armor and forgetting about Bereserker, since its stats look awful... 0 armor, no high resistances, ridiculously slow, and permacursed.
I do understand why some people would want to figure it out on their own, and don't want it spoiled... but as far as I'm concerned, someone could PM me how to do it and I'd be just fine.
...I just don't feel like stressing about it for hours, leaving the game running, trying all sorts of ridiculous things that probably aren't even close to what's actually required, and otherwise hating life, like so many people seem to be doing because of it =P
...If I'm correct, from a strict gameplay standpoint, you're better off with the Cybernano.
Uh oh... Thelaptop hasn't nerfed anything in the last five minutes... Everybody duck! D:Don't worry. I have maliciously changed something in the source code that you will probably see in the next release.
Heck, I might even change more.Bragging, bragging...
It's not overly complex to pick it up unless it has changed since the last version. Don't overthink it.
Fix bugs instead, will ya?Hey, I'm the typo guy, and I am doing that diligently!
Only a champion that can sacrifice himself for his cause can wield the dragon-slayer. There is no reward but death............Heheheheheheh...
Just as a thought. Any character can pick up DS. But there is at least one stipulation, maybe many.
What do you do in Hell's Arena, and what do you fight for?
That may give you a chance to fight a smaller boss in the grand scheme of things, but do you have to? Who's arena is it, and why do you destroy this small beast?
Perhaps your rewards will allow you to blow away any wall, in anger or not. Only to gain greater destruction from it. Are those on the other side of the wall barricading themselves in, or you out, or simply a last vestige of those strong enough to fight hell? Is the wall against you, or against those you fight as well?
Are you, by fighting tournaments, killing grand champions, destroying ursurpers and raiding the riches of hell with your artifacts and weaponry simply playing a part in the mastermind's plan?
Only a champion that can sacrifice himself for his cause can wield the dragon-slayer. There is no reward but death............
Implication being DS is tied to the Arena/Court/Vault storyline? If so, that would explain why I was unable to lift it in AAo666...Not really, you can wield it during Ao100 as well:
Didn't something vaguely similar happen in the story? ("Ouch! I've got nothing. Now I'm dead. Now I'm in hell. Now I'm pissed off. Now I've got a great big sword. Now I'm going to kick hell's arse." Very basic plot synopsis?)
Although, thinking about Berserk! (I'm vaguely familiar with the story) and thelaptop's ominous chuckle, has anyone tried dying on the square that DS is on? With nothing wielded? Didn't something vaguely similar happen in the story? ("Ouch! I've got nothing. Now I'm dead. Now I'm in hell. Now I'm pissed off. Now I've got a great big sword. Now I'm going to kick hell's arse." Very basic plot synopsis?)
... a very clever and incredibly cruel requirement that the player Shift-Q quits while standing on it...Now that's a thought!
It's funny that you mention that, though, because I was just thinking the other day that it would make for a very clever and incredibly cruel requirement that the player Shift-Q quits while standing on it... no one would ever dare try it. :)
Now that's a thought!I agree, this is a great idea.
But please, fix other bugs first, as changing reqs is only a cherry on a cake :) .
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Reasons for theory:I may have not read all the Berserk volumes, but I have read enough of them to say that DS is not a multiple-rocket artillery...
Berskerk!'s story (I really must re-read it), Dragonslayer being a type of multiple-rocket artillery as well as a big sword (you can have one and not the other) and the aforementioned sacrifice posts (I still don't know if the daemons behind the wall are allegorically Polish or commies. Maybe neither). Now I'll probably never see it again for a few versions.
The Devteam is doing a good job and has made a terrific game that deserves to be commended. Again, I don't want to anger anyone and I don't want to undermine the great work they have made on the game, but I think it is also worth noting that the previous version was released with a number of major bugs (Fireangel, Destroyer Diamond, etc.) and this version was very nearly released with a major bug that would have denied people a lot of badges that I thankfully caught at the last minute. This bug came about because of an emphasis on adding new features over cleaning up existing problems. This is not to say that the Devteam never fixes bugs; I'm just saying that Skarczew has a legitimate complaint.Thanks, that is exactly what I am thinking (and sometimes I have problems formulating my feelings).
I hope noone is angry about this post, but just in case, this should calm anyone down! :D (http://cute-overload.blogspot.ca/2011/09/can-you-handle-baby-otter-playing-with.html)
EDIT: Ooh! 666th post! Ominous! :o
Could you maybe stop posting the stuff that isn't working? I'd rather give it a fair shot without any hints.
Ohoho, the requirement is stricter than I realized. I feel rather foolish now.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Well, another DS-wielder here. I needed it for tech diamond so I took it.
OK, i will keep this "secret", but... let's just say this "secret" is hilarious and dissapointing. The only thing i'll say that this thread is a big overthinking.
So do you want me to PM you the secret?I thought you already knew it.
Well, when trying basic, simple things doesn't work, you tend to start thinking the solution is more complex. If it were really as simple as pressing "g" or "u", we'd all have it already. I will never be disappointed if I manage to pick it up - whatever the method is, it's too complicated for me.It really IS that basic and simple. There is nothing illogical or overcomplicated.
I thought you already knew it.
Not quite, I don't think it has to be N!.It HAS to be N! to spawn DS/BA on scripted places (but they can also be spawned by random as any other unique). You ARE able to use DS without BA. Actually you are unable to use something else because DS goes into you hand on pick up and cannot be swapped (but you can pick something in offhand with "u" - that should be handy for MMK making it really badass). You must have DS to wear BA (but it is kinda crappy armour, i suggest wearing it only for final fight).
What I have figured out is there is a major misconception about the Berserker Armor and the DS: you actually have to pick UP the DS in order to wear the Berserker Armor.
So, you are able to pick up the DS FIRST, but not USE it until you get the Berserker Armor to drop?
Patrick Armor : Tourist suit [10/10] (100%) (P)
Health: 174% Exp: 18/4% Weapon: Cosmo blaster (5d6) [100/100]
cautious Unholy Cathedral
This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think. In any case, I've never found a Tourist suit in DoomRL ;)
If it helps, my only DS finds occurred on AAo666 games.
There's still one thing I'm curious about though... What happens if you already got the DS and/or BA to randomly spawn and then trigger the forced spawns? Will you get duplicated uniques? Crashes?It's extremely unlikely but it looks like it's possible to have a randomly spawned DS and then trigger the guaranteed one. For the DS, you won't be able to pick it up. It's slightly more likely with the BA, and you can pick up the second BA, but it's pointless if you already have one.
This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think
This really has gotten out of control. Ah, I still remember the days when we were trolling everyone that Megaspheres exist...
i heard if you defeat mortuary without damage you'll see a megasphere spawn
I've cleared Mortuary without taking damage before and didn't get a Megasphere. I have to admit I've never done it with my fists, though. :)
That doesn't gurantee you will get a megasphere. It only increases you chance to get one.
Also there is a rumor that if you defeat the Hell Gate without any damage on UV at least, a partial-invisibility power up might appear on next level (I think it's a temporary powerup)
Oh yeah! I got that once, but I died before I could pick it up =/
That certainly sounds damageless...
Can anyone give us a hint on how to pick UP the DS? Is there ALWAYS a way to pick up a DS if you randomly find one without expecting it? (say on an Ao100/AAo666 run)
Hope this helps!"Never gonna give you up..."Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Donate USD100,000 to Kornel and he will personally write you a letter with a quill and seal it with sealing wax and get it delivered to you by courier on how to pick up the DS on 0.9.9.7.
And 0.9.9.8 comes out the next day with the requirements changed.Goddamnit don't spoil my nerfarious fun!
Donate USD100,000 to Kornel and he will personally write you a letter with a quill and seal it with sealing wax and get it delivered to you by courier on how to pick up the DS on 0.9.9.7.
burned a few medkits trying to make that happen on the lava without successyou can't get Berserk from lava bath - only 12 dmg not enough for that. Or you need 40 hp max (you must get 25% or more dmg from hp_max at once)
you can't get Berserk from lava bath - only 12 dmg not enough for that. Or you need 40 hp max (you must get 25% or more dmg from hp_max at once)
36 HP max, actually. You have to take one-third of your max HP to trigger the berserker bonus.
I think it's 1/3 of MaxHP before any resistances or armor are applied. TaN and the berserk status itself won't affect the injury-based procs, but Ironman will.Yup. Also, the berserk resistance bonuses will apply to the damage that procs it.
Also, anytime you get hit and the message "That hurt!" pops up, it means that last hit had a chance at proccing Berserker.There's no chance to proc -- it's guaranteed provided the attack has enough potential damage.
[...]if the dev's are feeling particularly evil when they're doing the next build...
They are. Reqs are already changed for the next version. My 998 player profile is going to suck compared to my 997, lol.