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DoomRL => Requests For Features => Topic started by: Sdlonyer55 on December 05, 2007, 07:13

Title: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Sdlonyer55 on December 05, 2007, 07:13

I can't quite figure out why these monsters can use weapons and medkits. They couldn't use either in Doom. Why would a medkit heal a demon, and how would they even be able to apply it?

If the goal is to make Barons and Knights more of a threat, this doesn't really accomplish it, at least in my opinion. It merely makes them more irritating (I get quite irritated when I see a large medkit go to waste). Sure, when they heal themselves they are tougher, but nothing is more of a pushover than a Baron or Knight with a pistol or shotgun. I think the final score is a wash, with the edge going to aggravation. If your goal is to make them tougher, perhaps a straight statistical upgrade is more consistent.

On a side note, you may want to consider extending the 'medkits can't be picked up on level 1' beyond ITYTD, at least to HNTR. Perhaps it isn't in the spirit of the game, but neither is quit/restarting until you get a favorable clear + 4 medkits, which for me at least is standard operating procedure anytime I expect a tough game (so, basically every game.)

Title: Re: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Potman on December 05, 2007, 08:40

Methinks the only thing that needs to be done is to improve the enemy AI so that they won't use weapons that're weaker than their standard ones. And while we're there, give former humans and others that already have weapons ability to pick new better ones instead.

Title: Re: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Silhar on December 05, 2007, 11:09

Seconded. I can't imagine BoH using a medpack...

Title: Re: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on December 05, 2007, 14:23

Is a former human who picks up a shotgun advanced to former seregant? :P Also the feature is there to provide some "OMG" factor to the game. "OMG! I didn't know they could use medpacks!"

Title: Re: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Silhar on December 05, 2007, 14:41

Okay, then. You are The Creator.

Title: Re: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Sdlonyer55 on December 06, 2007, 09:27

Quote from: Kornel Kisielewicz on December 05, 2007, 14:23

Is a former human who picks up a shotgun advanced to former seregant? :P Also the feature is there to provide some "OMG" factor to the game. "OMG! I didn't know they could use medpacks!"

Even more poignant is the "OMG! I didn't know that rocket launcher on the ground was loaded." Perhaps you could reduce the life they receive from the LARGE medpack in particular, while also removing their ability to pick up pistols or standard shotguns.

Title: Re: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on December 06, 2007, 15:15

This is one thing that gives the humanoids an advantage over non-humanoids. But yeah, I guess I'll prevent barons from wielding pistols.

P.S. Blade, bugreportify this :P

Title: Re: Barons and Hell Knights Use of Weapons and Medkits
Post by: Malek Deneith on December 06, 2007, 15:26

Zing!
RFE #25 added :P