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Title: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Fanta Hege on April 13, 2010, 16:27
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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Fanta, level 15 Arch-Vile Lt. General, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 136453 turns and scored 356956 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 39 minutes and 53 seconds.
 He was a man of Ultra-Violence!

 He killed 1144 out of 1144 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!


 He saved himself 6 times.

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Medal of Prejudice
  UAC Star (gold cluster)
  Aurora Medallion
  Grim Reaper's Badge
  Hell Champion Medal
  Scavenger Silver Badge
  Scavenger Gold Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 94/70   Experience 112329/15
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +4  ToDmg Ranged +2  ToDmg Melee +8

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman          (Level 2)
    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 2)
    Brute            (Level 2)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Berserker        (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 1)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 1)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  SoB->SoB->TH->Fin->Fin->WK->MAc->HR->HR->Bru->Bru->Jug->Iro->Ber->Iro->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Angelic Armor [7/7] (56%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   Longinus Spear (8d8)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified plasteel boots [4/4] (100%) (T)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [10/130] (B1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [40/40] (A2T1)
    [b] modified missile launcher (6d6) [4/5] (A1B1T1)
    [c] nuclear BFG 9000 (8d8) [1/40]
    [d] modified BFG 9000 (12d8) [20/100] (A1P2)
    [e] modified red armor [6/6] (194%) (BP)
    [f] Malek's Armor [3/3] (100%)
    [g] rocket (x14)
    [h] rocket (x14)
    [i] rocket (x14)
    [j] rocket
    [k] power cell (x50)
    [l] power cell (x70)
    [m] power cell (x70)
    [n] thermonuclear bomb

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    105 former humans
    136 former sergeants
    69 former captains
    139 imps
    100 demons
    229 lost souls
    59 cacodemons
    91 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    29 hell knights
    44 arachnotrons
    21 former commandos
    1 Angel of Death
    29 pain elementals
    29 arch-viles
    10 mancubi
    47 revenants
    3 nightmare imps
    2 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 7 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  Entering level 8 he was almost dead...
  On level 10 he found Hell's Armory.
  On level 12 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 13 he found the Jackhammer!
  On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 16 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 16 he found the Longinus Spear!
  He then destroyed the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 17 he found the Anti-Freak Jackal!
  On level 17 he found the City of Skulls.
  He wiped out the City of Skulls.
  He nuked level 20!
  On level 20 he entered the Vaults.
  On level 20 he found the Malek's Armor!
  He managed to clear the Vaults completely!
  On level 22 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  On level 22 he found the Angelic Armor!
  He managed to clear the Mortuary from evil!
  On level 23 he entered the Lava Pits.
  He managed to clear the Lava Pits completely!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You wear/wield : a modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [130/130] (B1)
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 fires! You are hit!
 Unknown command. Press "?" for help.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 You swap your weapons instantly!
 The Cyberdemon fires! You are hit!
 The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher.
 You hit the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon hits you.
 You hit the Cyberdemon. You feel like a killing machine! You're going
 berserk! The Cyberdemon hits you. You need to taste blood!
 You hit the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon dies. You feel relatively safe
 now. Congratulations! You defeated the Cyberdemon! Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 1142 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 1044 of those were killed.
 5 of those were killed by something unknown.
 21 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 53 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 19 souls claim to have killed him...
 3 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 15 killed the bastard and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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Okay this here run was simple or not; UV Conquer!
As you can see it was succesfull! I went in every damn dungeon that appeared and cleared them all..- Wait what, no conquer nor explorer badge?!?  I'm sure I checked every damn hell hole and still no badge?! Or do I have to also rely on finding the spider lair that didn't spawn in this run?
I'm bit angry here, considering as I wasted two days on this and played very very carefully.
The saves came from the fact that I had to go to work on the times and I have to admit, I save scummed on the Vaults, but can you blame me? Its so damn random.

Anyway; hell arena is always the easy thing, even on UV, token missile launcher get! Chained court, get the agility mods and chainsaw, then head to the wall. Now the wall is bit tricky on UV, but using the nifty tip about blowing the upper path and luring the barons one by one that was posted sometime ago, it isn't that hard, it still ate my all health packs, luckily I found a super charge just outside it and continued on. This is where the run got easier due of ammochains inventory saving, I don't see how thise types of runs would be anyhow possible without the inventory save due of the sheer amount of arnament you're forced to carry around! I then continued to hells armory and halls of carnage for the extra rockets, ammo, mods and BFG, and then it was time for the big test, UC! Now as you can notice, I did not trait berserk for this! Only hell runner and some brute, why hell runner? Berserk is bugged so.. LAAAVAAA BAAATTTHH! :D:D:D:D:D which succeeded quite well! Demons and lost souls weren't a problem due of bulk modded chainsaw and some brute. Then it was the vaults, for the vaults however, as I said I saved scummed a few times as I had 3 phase devices for it, anyway, this is where I took the berserk trait, why? The middle vault. The side vault with Viles wasn't hard as I was able to abuse the splash damage of the rocket launcher to get them dead. The other Revenant vault wasn't a problem as I started pounding them with the LS for the zerk, then I started phasing. My 3rd scum attempt at the phasing succeeded and I popped at the middle vault with a zerk and LS.. You can guess what then happened! Clearing the vaults, I continued. Finding 2 INVULNERABILITIES AND A ZERK PACK RIGHT NEXT TO MORTUARY, it was a breeze with the LS again.
..Now the lava pits. I had no extra enviro suits. It was a pain in the ass. A real pain. I had to scout shoot the revs far off with the plasma gun and the missile launcher to scatter them to lava when they came in sight, running to place to place with the large health packs I gathered from the mortuary. When I cleared it out I had no health packs left. luckily the last normal level had a super charge globe and using the big def bonus from LS and AA, cybie wasn't a problem to take down.

Eitherway, I'm still pissed that I didn't get the badge I was after, AKA Elite Platinum, but eh, atleast I got some scavenger badges... Maybe RNG is nicer with the spider lair next time.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Game Hunter on April 13, 2010, 20:57
If I were you I'd check that one off on your list anyway.  Explorer and Conquerer both say "generated" levels, which clearly indicates levels that are generated, ie, ones that do NOT generate should not count.  It's impossible enough as it is to get through the almost certain Vaults and 100% certain UC and Mortuary.  Amazing job on your part.  I like how you appeared to have ignored Jackhammer altogether, but MAc will do that.

Looks like we have at least one person with Elite Platinum (and yes, I'm absolutely counting this run unless people don't like the savescumming on Vaults).
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Fanta Hege on April 14, 2010, 11:25
If I were you I'd check that one off on your list anyway.  Explorer and Conquerer both say "generated" levels, which clearly indicates levels that are generated, ie, ones that do NOT generate should not count.  It's impossible enough as it is to get through the almost certain Vaults and 100% certain UC and Mortuary.  Amazing job on your part.  I like how you appeared to have ignored Jackhammer altogether, but MAc will do that.

Looks like we have at least one person with Elite Platinum (and yes, I'm absolutely counting this run unless people don't like the savescumming on Vaults).

Other possiblity could also be hell fortress but then again, it would be pretty unreasonable to be forced to get a full win for explorer/conquer... :|

And yeah, I somewhat regret I dropped the jackhammer, but I really didn't have the inv space for shells at that time.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Tavana on April 15, 2010, 02:52
The only explanation that makes sense is that either Conqueror is bugged (I've gotten it in previous releases, not this one yet) or that a Red Staircase generated and you didn't find it to delve down it. Just because you killed everything on the normal levels doesn't mean you explored every nook and cranny.

Sad about the save scumming, but nice run anyhow.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Fanta Hege on April 15, 2010, 06:27
The only explanation that makes sense is that either Conqueror is bugged (I've gotten it in previous releases, not this one yet) or that a Red Staircase generated and you didn't find it to delve down it. Just because you killed everything on the normal levels doesn't mean you explored every nook and cranny.

Sad about the save scumming, but nice run anyhow.

I highly doubt I missed any stair case, I checked every level twice, even in the lava and acid rooms.
And all the guarenteed to appear levels are in my mortem.

But eh, I'll probably try again at some point and see if it really is bugged and probably see if getting full win has any effect on it.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: BEEF on April 15, 2010, 09:19
Ok, it looks like this is a bug with conqueror not being granted, because I just got this:

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Medal of Prejudice
  Explorer Badge
  Hell Champion Medal
  Scavenger Gold Badge

I was messing around on ITYTD to get Scavenger Gold, so no Mortuary or Unholy Cathedral was generated.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Game Hunter on April 15, 2010, 16:47
Quote from: BEEF
I was messing around on ITYTD to get Scavenger Gold, so no Mortuary or Unholy Cathedral was generated.
Just wondering: did every other level that CAN generate show up?  This includes: Hell's Arena (obv. that you did), Chained Court, The Wall, Hell's Armory, Halls of Carnage, City of Skulls, Spider's Lair, The Vaults (obv. also), and Lava Pits.  You definitely didn't do Hell Fortress, so we know that wasn't it.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: BEEF on April 15, 2010, 17:02
City of Skulls and Spider's Lair didn't show up, and obviously Hell Fortress, but everything else did. I think it might have something to do with clearing the Vaults, because I didn't get any special message when I killed the last monster there.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Tavana on April 16, 2010, 03:58
For reference, I've gotten Conqueror's badge 0.9.9 without all possible special levels spawning. Again, I have not attempted this on 0.9.9.1.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on April 16, 2010, 18:28
Quote
He saved himself 6 times.
Unfortunately this is the reason you didn't get it :/
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Fanta Hege on April 16, 2010, 19:12
Unfortunately this is the reason you didn't get it :/

..There's a limit with saving nowdays?
You might've wanted to add a mention about in the last release notes...
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on April 16, 2010, 19:53
Nah, it's just that the special levels get regenerated on each save, hence the count didn't strike neither the explorer nor conqueror count. Of course it's a bug. Will be fixed.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Fanta Hege on April 17, 2010, 07:21
Ooooh that explains it.
Oh well guess I'll try some other platinums in the mean time.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Blahness on April 24, 2010, 17:32
I have a question.

What does this line:   Entering level 8  he was almost dead... mean?
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Game Hunter on April 24, 2010, 19:12
I have a question.

What does this line:   Entering level 8  he was almost dead... mean?

It means his health was extremely low leaving the previous level.  Given that he totally beat The Wall on level 7 (and UV at that), it's no surprise.  The health was probably somewhere in the 1-5 range, I'm not sure of the exact number.
Title: Re: [U|100%|YAAM] ..all hell holes dead but no conquer nor explorer badge?
Post by: Fanta Hege on April 25, 2010, 02:34
I have a question.

What does this line:   Entering level 8  he was almost dead... mean?

It means I had less then 10% health left aka almost dead state when I entered the level.
but as I said, I found a super charge right afterwards so it didn't stop me. =P