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Title: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: Game Hunter on February 12, 2011, 23:22
And boy what a tense badge this is. (WARNING: thar be spoilers ahead.)

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.2) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Game Hunter, level 16 Cacodemon Sergeant Major, nuked the Cyberdemon.
 on level 26 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 159281 turns and scored 410702 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 59 minutes and 50 seconds.
 He was a man of Ultra-Violence!

 He killed 1344 out of 1344 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!


-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 9
  Levels visited   : 9
  Levels completed : 9

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Medal of Prejudice
  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Aurora Medallion
  Explorer Badge
  Conqueror Badge
  Grim Reaper's Badge
  Hell Champion Medal
  Hell Armorer Badge
  UAC Silver Badge
  UAC Gold Badge
  Veteran Silver Badge
  Veteran Gold Badge
  Veteran Platinum Badge
  Elite Platinum Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 80/80   Experience 123013/16
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +4  ToDmg Ranged +2  ToDmg Melee +8

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman          (Level 3)
    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 2)
    Brute            (Level 2)
    Berserker        (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 1)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 2)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  Fin->Fin->SoB->SoB->WK->TH->MAc->Bru->Bru->Ber->Iro->Iro->Iro->HR->HR->TH->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nanofiber Cybernetic Armor [6]
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   nothing
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified steel boots [1/1] (100%) (A)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified missile launcher (6d6) [0/4] (T3)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] assault rifle (2d5)x2 [40/40]
    [b] modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [38/130] (B1)
    [c] Necroarmor [6/6] (100%)
    [d] Angelic Armor [7/7] (100%)
    [e] Longinus Spear (8d8)
    [f] rocket (x14)
    [g] rocket (x14)
    [h] rocket (x14)
    [i] large med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] homing phase device
    [m] envirosuit pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    117 former humans
    128 former sergeants
    78 former captains
    179 imps
    98 demons
    184 lost souls
    58 cacodemons
    234 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    45 hell knights
    46 arachnotrons
    1 John Carmack
    30 former commandos
    1 Angel of Death
    14 pain elementals
    48 arch-viles
    32 mancubi
    45 revenants
    2 bruiser brothers
    1 shambler
    1 lava elemental
    1 Arena Master

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 6 he stormed the Chained Court.
  He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
  On level 6 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
  On level 8 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
  He destroyed the evil withing and reaped the rewards!
  On level 12 he assembled a assault rifle!
  On level 14 he assembled a double chainsaw!
  On level 14 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he encountered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 16 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 16 he found the Longinus Spear!
  He then destroyed the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 18 he entered the Vaults.
  On level 18 he found the Cybernetic Armor!
  He cracked the Vaults and cleared them out!
  On level 22 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  On level 22 he found the Angelic Armor!
  On level 22 he assembled a nanofiber armor!
  He managed to clear the Mortuary from evil!
  On level 23 he entered the Lava Pits.
  On level 23 he found the Necroarmor!
  He managed to clear the Lava Pits completely!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  He nuked level 25!
  He defeated the Cyberdemon and found the TRUE EVIL!
  Then finally in hell itself, he killed the final EVIL.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You start running! Carmack raises his hands and summons hellspawn!
 Warning! Explosion in 4 seconds!
 The baron of hell fires! You dodge! Boom! The baron of hell fires! You
 dodge! Boom!
 Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
 The baron of hell fires! You are hit! Boom! Warning! Explosion in 2
 seconds!
 Unknown command. Press "?" for help.
 You use XXX. You feel invincible! The baron of hell fires! You
 are hit! You dodge! Carmack raises his hands and summons hellspawn!
 Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds!
 The missile hits the baron of hell. The baron of hell fires! You dodge!
 You dodge! The missile hits the baron of hell. The baron of hell fires! You
 dodge! The missile hits the baron of hell. You dodge! The missile
 hits the baron of hell. Congratulations! You defeated John Carmack! Press
 <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 57 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 54 of those were killed.
 1 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 1 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 1 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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For the sake of keeping a really cool secret private (for the time being) I rewrote some of the mortem. Because of it, actually, I probably need to go back and do this again at some point to test some things out. Maybe after I burn through a few Diamonds.

The objective of this (and a few unfortunate runs before it) was MAc and assault rifle, because I LOVE THE ASSAULT RIFLE. Good damage, fast attack, and lots and lots of accuracy that MAc needs badly. Mods were destroyed at points so I never got very far in assembling other gear, but I eventually got the rifle. Only took a few hits on The Wall, and only against the boss in the Armory. After MAc, Bru->Ber is the only way I can think of that makes UC doable in this version. Fortunately, that's pretty easy to reach if you're going YAAM. Got plenty of zerk going in and ran past a bunch of demons to make sure I killed the bastard.

The rest is a very, VERY cautious run through Hell. No Spider's Lair or City of Skulls, though I can't imagine having much of a problem with either. Vaults gave me a sweet Cybernetic Armor, and four stairs and a Mortuary later I was able to get it Onyx'd. Mortuary could've been REALLY easily but I sort of forgot about some of my gear at that point...

Tried to smoke JC without a nuke, but in the end I just dropped the nuclear BFG and whipped up a nifty little item I scavenged from an earlier level to survive the explosion. (Considering I wanted YAAM, this was what I was going to do in the first place.) Plenty of badges, and Elite Platinum has finally been snagged.

To be fair, the way MaiZure did Gatekeeper Diamond is the safest and most probable method. I took only one hit from the Arch-viles this time around (and a couple from Bruisers, although at that point I didn't really care) so I'd say it's possible in a standard game if you're careful and lucky.
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: MaiZure on February 13, 2011, 00:46
This is some serious DoomRL action here. Excellent job!

I was attemping this run earlier w/o conquerer but I haven't found a good way to clear CC on UV standard - I simply too much damage even through berserk before I can take down the Arena Master.  Noting that the only weapons you have by that time are Combat Shotty, Chaingun, and Rocket Launcher
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: AStranger on February 13, 2011, 03:31
Quote from: Game Hunter on February 12, 2011, 23:22
... I LOVE THE ASSAULT RIFLE ....
I really wish the assembly recipes were public knowledge. Without doing too much math, there are at least 5000 possible recipes, possibly even closer to 10,000. Depending on the actual constraints of assemblies there could be over 10,000 possible recipes, but 5000-10,000 is a safe bet. That doesn't even take into account actually finding the items and trying each possible combination, possibly with a level of whizkid or two.

So my question is, am I missing some key piece of info that makes finding them easier, or is it really just guess and check?
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: MaiZure on February 13, 2011, 04:43
Quote from: AStranger on February 13, 2011, 03:31
So my question is, am I missing some key piece of info that makes finding them easier, or is it really just guess and check?

You can find assembly recipies if you look hard - try beating a certain special level on HMP+ several times
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: grommile on February 13, 2011, 07:35
Quote from: MaiZure on February 13, 2011, 04:43
You can find assembly recipies if you look hard - try beating a certain special level on HMP+ several times
In other words, "if you don't need the recipes, you can get them."
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: Kashi on February 13, 2011, 08:21
Quote from: MaiZure on February 13, 2011, 04:43
You can find assembly recipies if you look hard - try beating a certain special level on HMP+ several times
Weird. I found one of those in HNTR.
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: thelaptop on February 13, 2011, 08:23
Quote from: Kashi on February 13, 2011, 08:21
Weird. I found one of those in HNTR.
You can find some of them in HNTR for sure.  But if you want some miniscule probability of knowing how to make some of the higher assemblies without having to test the many combinations, you may need to beat it on HMP+.

As an incentive, let's just say some of the higher assemblies are really game-breaking, which makes it even more delicious when you can actually assemble the thing.

=P
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: Game Hunter on February 13, 2011, 09:57
Yeah I griped about this in back in I think Beta 3. There's something to find that makes searching for recipes go a LOT faster, and I happened to exploit (read: savescum) it in order to test as many of the items as possible (balance-wise). In fact, the assault rifle used to be BETTER but I asked for it to be toned down on account of its ridiculousness back then.

This isn't much of a spoiler, but if you want to be completely left in the dark on assemblies don't click.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

To be fair, assault rifle is a perfect match to Ammochain because of its accuracy and little else. If this were an Intuition/Cateye build I'd almost certainly stick with plasma instead, and MAYBE have one around in case cells were low. There are better uses for its mod parts though, given the circumstances.

I had a similarly good run that reached level 23, but due to an awesome item and its *cough* unusual properties, I ended up digging a hole that I couldn't get out of (and the Arach cave did NOT help).

Quote from: thelaptop on February 13, 2011, 08:23
As an incentive, let's just say some of the higher assemblies are really game-breaking, which makes it even more delicious when you can actually assemble the thing.

=P
Heh, one of them was so game-breaking it actually DID break the game. Well, more like I bent the game backwards. Don't wanna go into too much detail but I'm just glad I could check it before it was released.
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: Fanta Hege on February 13, 2011, 10:19
To be honest the assemblies should have get a wiki entry sooner or later, considering you can appereantly just farm the recipes anyway and its pretty silly to assume everyone would want to go through all the combinations willingly.
Even though I've personaly been attempting to do some assemply farming runs, I highly doubt there's many people crazy enough to go through all the grind to find the things.


I do apploud you on this run though! Conquerer AND a full win sure is pretty awesome combination. 
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: rchandra on February 13, 2011, 11:28
The nice thing about the basic assemblies is that if you don't have Whizkid, you can test a lot of possibilities without using your mods up, and the name gives you a good hint of where to start.  With the advanced/master, your whizkid will allow you to put incompatible mods on, and only once you place all 3/4 will you find you've erred.

Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: grommile on February 13, 2011, 13:27
Quote from: Fanta Hege on February 13, 2011, 10:19
To be honest the assemblies should have get a wiki entry sooner or later,
Quite a few of them already do :)
Title: Re: [U|YAAM|YAFW] First REAL Elite Platinum
Post by: AStranger on February 13, 2011, 20:10
Quote from: MaiZure on February 13, 2011, 04:43
You can find assembly recipies if you look hard - try beating a certain special level on HMP+ several times
Hmm, I've been sticking to N! and UV Ao100 for the most part, which means I avoid most special levels. I could probably venture a guess as to which level, but I have a feeling this somehow involves actually reading the messages that scroll by.

Quote from: Game Hunter on February 13, 2011, 09:57
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have figured out almost all the the basic ones in a sandbox, but testing combinations gets really boring really quickly. I enjoy playing the game, not working to play the game.

My best bet is probably just to wait until the wiki has gotten a little more spoiled.