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DoomRL => Requests For Features => Topic started by: ZZ on June 07, 2011, 11:41

Title: Shooting through barrels
Post by: ZZ on June 07, 2011, 11:41
In Doom barrels were about half the human height, and thus a player could easily shoot enemy behind the barrel without hitting it. In DoomRL however, any shot that passes through the barrel hits it, what is incorrect I suppose. So I propose that only the shot that has the barrel as it's target should hit it, the others should just pass freely. It might need a few AI changes for monsters to recognize barrels and shoot at them.
Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: yaflhdztioxo on June 07, 2011, 11:50
In vanilla Doom you have no Y axis to aim on and actors are infinitely tall.
Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: ParaSait on June 07, 2011, 12:37
Quote from: yaflhdztioxo on June 07, 2011, 11:50
In vanilla Doom you have no Y axis to aim on and actors are infinitely tall.
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Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: Malek Deneith on June 07, 2011, 13:29
Would be much too convenient IMHO.
Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: ZZ on June 07, 2011, 15:45
Quote from: yaflhdztioxo on June 07, 2011, 11:50
In vanilla Doom you have no Y axis to aim on and actors are infinitely tall.
Really? Do you say that you were not able to climb up or down in vanilla Doom? In vanilla Doom you only had auto aiming, every object had it's height. And also, the height is the Z axis, not the Y from what I know.
This feature would only make things more logical, I don't think that this will affect the game balance significantly.
Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: thelaptop on June 07, 2011, 16:39
Quote from: ZZ on June 07, 2011, 15:45
Really? Do you say that you were not able to climb up or down in vanilla Doom? In vanilla Doom you only had auto aiming, every object had it's height. And also, the height is the Z axis, not the Y from what I know.
This feature would only make things more logical, I don't think that this will affect the game balance significantly.
I beg to differ.  Allowing the firing across barrels does significantly change the game mechanics, simply because what was ordinarily a death trap is now something that is somewhat less so.

There is of course some refinement of the idea that may make this a little bit more palatable for game balance.  For things that use 10mm ammunition, I think we can allow the firing over the barrel -- weapons that fire 10mm bullets can be aimed and fired in a decent enough grouping, sans rapid fire weapons in chainfire mode.  But for shotguns, explosives and plasma weapons, no such luck because the fired projectile spreads just too much.

Note that for the purpose of argument, Anti-Freak Jackal counts like a normal pistol shot in spite of it being explosive due to the way the source material defines it.
Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: yaflhdztioxo on June 07, 2011, 18:58
Quote from: ZZ on June 07, 2011, 15:45
Really? Do you say that you were not able to climb up or down in vanilla Doom? In vanilla Doom you only had auto aiming, every object had it's height. And also, the height is the Z axis, not the Y from what I know.

Yep.  You could not aim down the Y axis and actors were infinitely tall.  Which is why walking under bridges and running over objects was impossible in vanilla Doom.  Depending on what you learned on depth can be positive or negative, Y or Z, but either way I'm going to more directly assert my dislike for you and my belief that you are an idiot.  Because of your cheek.

Your move son.  I have high hopes for a professional retort so do put some effort into it.
Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: Malek Deneith on June 08, 2011, 03:12
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Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: GrimmC on June 08, 2011, 17:53
Actors were infinitely tall for the purposes of whether two objects could pass over each other, but certainly not for aiming on the z-axis. Think about it; how else could they pass through areas with different z-heights? (i.e. a lost soul floating its way up to a window)

To make it obvious, imagine you're standing on a ledge in Doom and many enemies are crowded right beneath it. If you fire your chaingun off, it certainly doesn't hit every enemy in the LoS, even if they're 500 units below. Gameplay would have been a lot more lame if it worked that way.

Having said all that, it's only really relevant when there are different floor heights. In an area where everything is on the same level, hitting the barrel is basically a guarantee. Hence it's basically irrelevant for DoomRL.
Title: Re: Shooting through barrels
Post by: Zalminen on June 09, 2011, 07:01
Well, I do remember that if you stood at a high ledge, monsters far below you could still hit you with melee attacks.
Likewise you could activate buttons that should have been too high or too low for you to reach.

Don't know if it was more lame or amusing...