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Title: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: thelaptop on October 25, 2011, 22:57
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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.4) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Ilya Bely, level 7 Demon Private FC Marine,
 sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 34117 turns and scored 29126 points.
 He played for 26 minutes and 58 seconds.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 255 out of 360 hellspawn. (70%)

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 5
  Levels visited   : 2
  Levels completed : 1

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Sunrise Iron Fist
  Minor Icarus Cross
  Compet-n Silver Cross
  UAC Bronze Badge
  Strongman Bronze Badge
  Armorer Bronze Badge
  Gatekeeper Bronze Badge
  Speedrunner Bronze Badge
  Strongman Silver Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/60   Experience 18691/7
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +6  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +9

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Marine

    Finesse          (Level 1)
    Brute            (Level 3)
    Berserker        (Level 1)
    Badass           (Level 1)
    Vampyre          (Level 1)

  Bru->Bru->Ber->Bru->Bad->MVm->Fin->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   tactical armor [1/1] (91%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   nothing
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified steel boots [1/1] (100%) (A)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a]   nuclear plasma rifle (1d6)x6 [24/24]
    [b]   BFG 9000 (10d8) [100/100]
    [c]   green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [d]   blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [e]   blue armor [2/2] (78%)
    [f]   modified blue armor [1/2] (47%) (B)
    [g]   blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [h]   red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [i]   red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [j]   chainsaw (4d6)
    [k]   large med-pack
    [l]   large med-pack
    [m]   large med-pack
    [n]   large med-pack
    [o]   large med-pack
    [p]   large med-pack
    [q]   phase device
    [r]   envirosuit pack

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Bullet     - internal 0%    torso 75%   feet 60%
    Melee      - internal 0%    torso 60%   feet 60%
    Shrapnel   - internal 0%    torso 75%   feet 60%
    Acid       - internal 0%    torso 60%   feet 60%
    Fire       - internal 0%    torso 60%   feet 60%
    Plasma     - internal 0%    torso 60%   feet 60%

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    75 former humans
    30 former sergeants
    6 former captains
    48 imps
    18 demons
    46 lost souls
    13 cacodemons
    2 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    6 hell knights
    5 arachnotrons
    1 former commando
    2 pain elementals
    2 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 7 he found the Grammaton Cleric Beretta!
  On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he encountered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 17 he stumbled into complex full of imps!
  On level 20 he found the Anti-Freak Jackal!
  On level 22 he assembled a tactical armor!
  He left level 23 as soon as possible.
  He left level 24 as soon as possible.
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  He nuked level 25!
  On level 25 he finally sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Are you sure you want activate the thermonuclear bomb? [Y/n] You use a
 thermonuclear bomb. Warning! Explosion in 10 seconds! Warning!
 Explosion in 9 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 8 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 7 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 6 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 5 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 4 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
 You are hit! That hurt! You' going berserk! You feel like a killing
 machine! You need to taste blood!
 Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds! The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket
 launcher. You need to taste blood!
 You feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You defeated the
 Cyberdemon! Press <Enter>... That hurt! You' going berserk!

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 35 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 33 of those were killed.
 And 1 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 1 souls destroyed the Cyberdemon...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.

--------------------------------------------------------------After playing on HMP and dying once too often, I decided to go for something simple -- MVm run with only fists.  And then the RNG kept tempting me to do a pistol run, first with the offering of the GCB, then the Anti-Freak Jackal.  Ended up in HoC, and charged through before realising that... I didn't have any way of opening the doors.  Went back to kill some sarges and pry the shotgun from their dead cold fingers to blast holes in the doors, only to realise I forgot to pick up the ammo...

Soon, I amassed enough Homing Phase Devices to just slip past the last 3 to 4 levels before nuking Cybie.  First win in a while, on ITYTD too, but hey, a win is a win.

;-)

PS: I would like to note that this is also the first and only ITYTD game I've played on 0.9.9.4 so far.  O.O
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Bloax on October 25, 2011, 23:05
You could've made them shoot at you willingfully, while making sure they hit the doors.

It's kinda painful to get the second row of them open, though.
Now that I think of it, STAY THE HELL AWAY from HoC in Angel of Pacifism.
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: thelaptop on October 25, 2011, 23:10
Quote from: Bloax on October 25, 2011, 23:05
Now that I think of it, STAY THE HELL AWAY from HoC in Angel of Pacifism.
Explorer on AoPc N!.  Sounds like a nice challenge for Tormuse and all the other Diamond Hunters who can't find enough challenges.  =P
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Hamster on October 25, 2011, 23:35
HoC is pretty easy on AoPc N!... Just wait for them to break the doors for you.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

edit: that spoiler expanded correctly in the preview and for the first time after posting. After that it expands in only two lines. Chrome 14.
And yes, breaking doors in HoC isn't easy on E, M and H difficulties...
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Tormuse on October 26, 2011, 01:00
Quote from: thelaptop on October 25, 2011, 23:10
Explorer on AoPc N!.  Sounds like a nice challenge for Tormuse and all the other Diamond Hunters who can't find enough challenges.  =P

Oops!  I didn't see that you wrote "N!"  How about "M" instead?  :D  (I trust you won't mind if I post the mortem in your thread)  ;)

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Wow!  AoPc is so much easier when you can get Hellrunner!  :P  And yes, HoC did pose a problem.  I got cornered by Cacodemons while trying to get to the exit and had to phase away from them.  Ultimately, I ended up waiting until the lava caught up with me and broke the walls down.  My boots got destroyed and I lost all my med-packs, but I made it, and I even picked up the BFG before exiting!  :)
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on October 26, 2011, 02:14
AoPc N! Conqueror. I dare you all ;]
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: S.K. Ren on October 26, 2011, 04:36
HoC is doable on AoPc if you go Technician and can grab Cerberus boots :D
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: raekuul on October 26, 2011, 07:12
Quote from: Kornel Kisielewicz on October 26, 2011, 02:14
AoPc N! Conqueror. I dare you all ;]
Make that a Diamond badge and somebody will find a way to do it.
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: thelaptop on October 26, 2011, 09:11
Quote from: Kornel Kisielewicz on October 26, 2011, 02:14
AoPc N! Conqueror. I dare you all ;]
Originally I wanted to say that, but it sounded too... impossible, even for me.
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Bloax on October 26, 2011, 11:53
Quote from: Kornel Kisielewicz on October 26, 2011, 02:14
AoPc N! Conqueror. I dare you all ;]

Sounds great, well, except that you can't beat Hell's Armory.
Because you'd have to nuke the shambler, not to mention somehow infight-killing everything before that.
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Tormuse on October 27, 2011, 22:49
I'm not sure what would be harder, Hell's Arena, or killing the Arena Master in the Chained Court!  :o  After that, you just have to hope you find a Trigun and have invulnerabilities for each of the generated levels.  I think nuking the Armory would take the Shambler with it, but you would definitely have to nuke the Lava Pits twice, since the Lava Elemental doesn't appear until everything else is dead.
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Chronos on October 28, 2011, 01:24
Quote from: Tormuse on October 27, 2011, 22:49
I'm not sure what would be harder, Hell's Arena, or killing the Arena Master in the Chained Court!  :o  After that, you just have to hope you find a Trigun and have invulnerabilities for each of the generated levels.  I think nuking the Armory would take the Shambler with it, but you would definitely have to nuke the Lava Pits twice, since the Lava Elemental doesn't appear until everything else is dead.

But I thought that nuking special levels (except for The Wall) does not count for level completion. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Game Hunter on October 28, 2011, 07:40
Quote from: Chronos on October 28, 2011, 01:24
But I thought that nuking special levels (except for The Wall) does not count for level completion. Am I wrong?
Getting the level to be counted as "done" (for, say, the purposes of a Conqueror run) includes nuking the level. For certain badges, when they ask the level be "completed", this always discounts nuking; for badges that ask the level be "cleared", nuking is allowed.

Quote from: Tormuse on October 27, 2011, 22:49
I'm not sure what would be harder, Hell's Arena, or killing the Arena Master in the Chained Court!  :o  After that, you just have to hope you find a Trigun and have invulnerabilities for each of the generated levels.  I think nuking the Armory would take the Shambler with it, but you would definitely have to nuke the Lava Pits twice, since the Lava Elemental doesn't appear until everything else is dead.
To my knowledge, the shambler isn't "in" the level until you pull the lever, so you'd either need a lot of extra invulernability (to get to it) or a lucky phase.

Really though, that sounds just about impossible to do without nuking, even if you were invulnerable for an infinite amount of time. Having enemies kill each other through indirect infighting and splash damage isn't TOO bad, but the trick to get the last two enemies in such a position that they kill each other can be very difficult. With Nightmare! I suppose you're given as many tries as you need (unless something accidentally destroys the corpse) so...over the course of a few days you might pull it off. And naturally you'd have to hope that none of the regular levels screwed you in the process, which is the hard part of AoPc in the first place.

Yeah, I'd write this off as impossible.
Title: Re: [E|70%|YAVP] Why do you tempt me to go pistol when I want to punch things?
Post by: Chronos on November 02, 2011, 09:51
Quote from: Game Hunter on October 28, 2011, 07:40
Getting the level to be counted as "done" (for, say, the purposes of a Conqueror run) includes nuking the level. For certain badges, when they ask the level be "completed", this always discounts nuking; for badges that ask the level be "cleared", nuking is allowed.

I see. I was confused a lot... ^_^