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Title: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Rapturous on March 04, 2012, 14:30

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Rapturous, level 12 Imp Lance Corporal Marine,
 defeated the Mastermind on level 9 of Hell.
 He survived 94161 turns and scored 126399 points.
 He played for 2 hours, 51 minutes and 6 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 741 out of 795 hellspawn. (93%)
 He held his right to remain violent.

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 11
  Levels completed : 8

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  UAC Star (silver cluster)
  Explorer Badge
  Hell Champion Medal
  Hell Armorer Badge
  Technician Silver Badge
  Armorer Bronze Badge
  UAC Bronze Badge
  Lava Bronze Badge
  Reaper Bronze Badge
  Reaper Silver Badge
  Scavenger Bronze Badge
  Arachno Bronze Badge
  Skull Bronze Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/60   Experience 62234/12
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Marine

    Finesse          (Level 3)
    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Reloader         (Level 2)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Shottyman        (Level 1)

  Fin->Fin->Rel->Rel->SM->Jug->WK->HR->HR->DM->WK->Fin->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   phaseshift armor [2/4] (36%) (ABP)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   missile launcher (6d6) [1/4]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [2/2] (82%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   plasma shotgun (10d3) [25/30] (P3)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] assault shotgun (9d3) [8/8] (B1P2T1)
    [b] tristar blaster (4d5)x3 [0/45]
    [c] nuclear plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [0/31] (B1)
    [d] BFG 9000 (10d8) [0/100] (T1)
    [e] fireproof red armor [1/4] (20%)
    [f] chainsaw (4d6)
    [g] rocket (x2)
    [h] rocket (x14)
    [i] large med-pack
    [j] homing phase device
    [k] homing phase device
    [l] envirosuit pack
    [m] hatred skull
    [n] Arena Master's Staff
    [o] shell box (x89)
    [p] shell box (x100)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Bullet     - internal 0%    torso 15%   feet 0%   
    Melee      - internal 0%    torso 15%   feet 0%   
    Shrapnel   - internal 0%    torso 15%   feet 0%   
    Acid       - internal 0%    torso 0%    feet 50% 
    Fire       - internal 0%    torso 0%    feet 25% 

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    88 former humans
    56 former sergeants
    22 former captains
    68 imps
    69 demons
    269 lost souls
    48 cacodemons
    31 hell knights
    18 barons of hell
    31 arachnotrons
    5 former commandos
    13 pain elementals
    3 revenants
    4 mancubi
    7 arch-viles
    2 bruiser brothers
    1 shambler
    1 lava elemental
    1 agony elemental
    1 Cyberdemon
    1 Spider Mastermind
    1 John Carmack
    1 Arena Master

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 5 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
  He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
  On level 7 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
  On level 10 he assembled a fireproof armor!
  He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
  On level 12 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 13 he found the City of Skulls.
  He wiped out the City of Skulls.
  On level 14 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
  He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
  On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
  On level 17 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
  On level 19 he entered the Vaults.
  He came, he saw, but he left.
  On level 20 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  He managed to escape from the Mortuary!
  He sounded the alarm on level 21!
  On level 22 he entered the Lava Pits.
  He managed to clear the Lava Pits completely!
  Then at last he found Dis!
  He nuked level 24!
  He defeated the Mastermind and found the TRUE EVIL!
  He nuked level 25!
  Then finally in hell itself, he killed the final EVIL.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 you. The lost soul hits you. John Carmack reloads his rocket launcher. The
 lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you.
 Your weapon is empty.
 You reload the missile launcher. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits
 you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you.
 The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. Warning! Explosion in 1
 seconds!
 You see : John Carmack (wounded) | floor | [ m ]ore
 Targeting canceled.
 You use a shockwave pack. The lost soul dies. The lost soul dies. You hear
 the scream of a freed soul! The lost soul dies. The lost soul dies. You hear
 the scream of a freed soul! The lost soul dies. You hear the scream of a
 freed soul! The lost soul dies. Carmack raises his hands and summons
 hellspawn! Congratulations! You defeated John Carmack! Press <Enter>...
 You feel relatively safe now.
 You see : a Spider Mastermind (lightly wounded) | blood | [ m ]ore

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 11 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 10 of those were killed.

 1 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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Hi.  So, I'm here to document not only my first full win, but my first win--period.  I'm still learning the ropes of the game, so much of this run was experimentation, finding out what items do, and clumsily wasting items (like skulls, which I still have no clue about).  Anyway, it was an adrenaline-infused run for me, as I ventured deeper and deeper into Inferno, daring to push the limits of the Mortuary and the Unholy Sanctuary, or whatever it's called (the melee-only place).  I didn't complete either, but I came damn close to beating the Mortuary.  I ran out of ammo, of all things, and was forced to fight on the next floor with nothing but a chainsaw until I found some supplies.  Energy cells were low throughout as I held my trusty plasma shotgun close.  Near the end of my run, I grabbed an assault shotgun, and was able to use my supply of shells that I stubbornly held onto.  No master traits whatsoever, except for a few of the smaller ones (intuition and shotgunnery or whatever it's called).  Nearly died to the boss of the sanctuary, but a homing device saved me.  No clue how I'm supposed to beat that guy without a huge supply of meds, or a secret awesome melee I have yet to find.  Having two BFGs proved useful in some of the tougher rooms, like the Mortuary.  Four shots back to back without slowing down to reload was nice, but probably unnecessary.  Blindly slapped mods onto equipment after my plasma shotgun and phaseshift armor held three mods each.  Finally reached Dis, thinking he was the last boss, when I had just picked up two Invulnerability Orbs on the previous floor, so I was certain that I would survive the blast--though, I had no idea that I had to wait so long for it to erupt!  I was worried I'd lose invuln before the time was up, though it has occurred to me while typing this that I might have been able to blow it up with my missile launcher.  Not sure.  Dis met his end, and I survived the blast.  Of course, the game wasn't over.  I moved on and found Carmack in the empty room, myself holding one more thermo and lava element.  I had no idea what the lava element did, but I was low on supplies.  I shot off a few plasma shots and missiles at Carmack, but he unleashed huge amounts of skulls, and eventually more advanced demons.  I used the fancy eruption pack that I got earlier that looks like a homing device, but that only helped so much.  So, I popped the lava element, and, lo!  I was invincible!  I quickly threw down the Thermo, hit shift + Y, and shot off missiles with glee!  ...and then lost my invuln with six or so seconds left.  Crap.  I threw missile after missile at Carmack, hoping that I could somehow defeat him before time was up.  The Wounded Carmack died, as did I.  And the grinning exposition, etc.  So, technically, a full win.  My first.  But I had hoped to survive the run.  I might have been able to beat him without the thermo, but at least I can say I won my first real go.  Prior to this, I had only reached hell once, and died soon after.  Enthralling game, and I look forward to future attempts.  Thanks to the devs.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: ih8regin on March 04, 2012, 20:44

with lava element, first use the nuke, then wait for 4-3 seconds left, then use lava element - the invulnerability is brief but will last enough to survive the nuclear explosion.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: GrAVit on March 05, 2012, 15:49

Y U NO CLEAR VAULTS? :P

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: HexaDoken on March 08, 2012, 00:24

Might be a little late, but I'm here to give a few protips for ya ^^

Spoiler: Skulls (click to show/hide)

All skulls gib the corpses in your sight and provide you with various effects. Type of effect vary between skulls, strength of effect depends on how many corpses were gibbed.
Fire skull simply explodes all corpses, damaging whatever happened to be near them.
Blood skulls heal you up. More corpses - more health.
Hatred skulls give you berserk. More corpses - longer berserk.

Spoiler: Unholy Cathedral (click to show/hide)

This shouldn't be dared without Berserk trait or Dragonslayer(which I'm in no clue how to get exept hax). Or hatred skulls. You see, when you go berserk, you turn into a real killing machine, doubling your damage and halving damage taken. With berserker trait, the UC is easier than anything - you don't even need epic supersecret melees, the chainsaw from the chained court is more than sufficient. Through, Butcher's Cleaver helps greatly too. You won't probably ever need medkits.

Spoiler: The Mourtary (click to show/hide)

Stack with BFG and 900-1000 cells and you should be fine.

Spoiler: The Vaults (click to show/hide)

In case you don't know what to do with it, you should bring the Arena Master's staff from the chained court and do "SESAME, OPEN!" with it at the vaults. This will destroy the staff and destroy some walls, opening the rewards to you. Still, vaults are friggin dangerous, they can be even more dangerous than mourtary(of course, if you're prepared for it). It's nothing BFG spam can't fix, but it will also destroy most, if not all the loot, so it's not the best idea ever. Also, the vaults don't often have THAT epic equipment, so usually it's not worth the risk.

Also, do not underestimate master traits. They can significantly help you.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Matt_S on March 08, 2012, 10:55

Spoiler: The Vaults (click to show/hide)

Note that the left and most vaults have some destroyable tiles; you can check the wiki to see which ones.  As long as I still have a rocket launcher with me by this point, I usually clear those before opening them all with the Arena Master staff.  On HNTR, the Barons can wreck a lot of the armor there...

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Klear on March 09, 2012, 04:22

Quote from: Matt_S on March 08, 2012, 10:55

Spoiler: The Vaults (click to show/hide)

Note that the left and most vaults have some destroyable tiles; you can check the wiki to see which ones.  As long as I still have a rocket launcher with me by this point, I usually clear those before opening them all with the Arena Master staff.  On HNTR, the Barons can wreck a lot of the armor there...

Spoiler: The Vaults (click to show/hide)

Besides, you get to fight less enemies at once and once only the middle remains, one lucky phase is enough to give you a platinum badge =)

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Tormuse on March 09, 2012, 09:38

Pretty epic first win!  Nice one!  :D

And I salute you for not looking up spoilers for things like the skulls and the Unholy Cathedral, etc.  I try to avoid looking up stuff on the Wiki too; it makes it much more satisfying to figure it out for yourself.  (I still want to figure out how to wield Dragonslayer!)

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Klear on March 09, 2012, 09:57

Aw crap... a former Apostle God Hand, currently with 4 diamonds, and he still doesn't know how to wield the Dragonslayer... How big chance do I have, then? =)

But yeah, it's better not to look up spoilers, even though it makes whizkid much less useful.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Tormuse on March 09, 2012, 10:16

Quote from: Klear on March 09, 2012, 09:57

But yeah, it's better not to look up spoilers, even though it makes whizkid much less useful.

Just do a few HNTR speedruns, going straight to Hell's Armory.  Collect enough schematics and you'll be able to make good use of Whizkid.  (And yeah, I realize how that sounds saying "just" defeat the Shambler a bunch of times)  :P  I've found a number of new assemblies for this version that way.  Playing on Angel of Confidence helps with that too, because you get to Hell's Armory faster.

As for Dragonslayer, I'm told that it's really simple, so it's possible that I haven't figured it out because I'm overthinking it, but the clues I've picked up so far seem contradictory, so it's very confusing.  :S

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Klear on March 09, 2012, 10:24

Theoretically it shouldn't be so difficult since figuring it out (and pulling it off) is needed to get the Armorer Gold Badge. I'm just now on the skill level where I'm very slowly aquiring gold medals, so I figured that I'm on the level where I have the chance to find out how to wield it. Seeing that you don't know how to take it is a little disheartening.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Deathwind on March 11, 2012, 16:51

Any time you find the Dragonslayer you can use it if you know how, but things will look quite bleak when you do.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Klear on March 12, 2012, 03:38

Quote from: Deathwind on March 11, 2012, 16:51

Any time you find the Dragonslayer you can use it if you know how, but things will look quite bleak when you do.

Awesome! I can't wait till I actualy find it =)

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Zecks on March 12, 2012, 06:32

Quote from: Klear on March 09, 2012, 10:24

Theoretically it shouldn't be so difficult since figuring it out (and pulling it off) is needed to get the Armorer Gold Badge. I'm just now on the skill level where I'm very slowly aquiring gold medals, so I figured that I'm on the level where I have the chance to find out how to wield it. Seeing that you don't know how to take it is a little disheartening.

Trying to pick it up does add it to the list.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: GrAVit on March 13, 2012, 06:36

How on earth do you guys get diamond badges? You must be mentally sick or something.

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: Ander Hammer on March 13, 2012, 07:59

Quote from: GrAVit on March 13, 2012, 06:36

How on earth do you guys get diamond badges? You must be mentally sick or something.

You're right - it's not practice, intuition and tactics, but a specialized illness that boosts their skills.

A 'skillness', if you will.



YEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

Title: Re: [M|93%|YAFW] - Thermo + Lava Element = Crap! Also, first win.
Post by: HexaDoken on March 13, 2012, 10:56

This is actually not much of skill but rather determination. Diamond badges are conquerable only by people who keep retrying to get it over and over and over and over again, ignoring the massive amounts of fails. If you wield skill - you won't succeed at them, but if you wield determination, you will win sooner or later, even if you don't have skill(it actually will come in the process). So, determinated person is a winner person.


...Or you can just hax, like my bro did.