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DoomRL => Mortem Archives => Post Mortem => 0.9.9.6 => Topic started by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 14:02

Title: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: LuckyDee on May 27, 2012, 14:02: -------------------------------------------------------------- DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump -------------------------------------------------------------- LuckyDee, level 5 Hell Baron Captain Technician, killed by a soldier on level 2 of the Deimos base. He survived 39938 turns and scored 20533 points. He played for 32 minutes and 48 seconds. He didn't like it too rough. He killed 158 out of 179 hellspawn. (88%) He was an Angel of Impatience! -- Special levels -------------------------------------------- Levels generated : 11 Levels visited : 1 Levels completed : 1 -- Awards ---------------------------------------------------- Hell Champion Medal Eagerness Bronze Badge -- Graveyard ------------------------------------------------- ########################################################### .......#...................#............................... .......#......###..........#....................s..s....... ....>..#......###.....###..#.%..###s.........s............. .###...#..###.###.....###..#....###.....O..........##...... .###...#..###.....###.###..#....###..s.###.#.......##.0h.0. .###...#..###.....###......#.....s===s.###..#.....###...... .......#......###.###......#.....=====.###.##..........0... ......./......###..........#..X..=.=..ss................... .......#..###.###..###.....#.......s..................0.... ....}..#..###......###.....#......###.###....###\.......... ###....#..###......###...>.#..%}..###.###....###.....###..0 ###....#...0..|............+......###.###....###..^..###... ###....#...................#.###....................0###... .......#..###....###..###..#.###...===.###.....###...i..... .......#.h###....###..###..#.###...====###.....###....i..i. .......#..###....###..###.%#......=====###.....###......... .......#.0.................#......=====...}................ .......#...................#.\.....===.........0........... ########################################################### -- Statistics ------------------------------------------------ Health 0/50 Experience 9384/5 ToHit Ranged +2 ToHit Melee +2 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +0 -- Traits ---------------------------------------------------- Class : Technician Son of a gun (Level 3) Eagle Eye (Level 1) Whizkid (Level 1) SoG->SoG->SoG->WK->EE-> -- Equipment ------------------------------------------------- [a] [ Armor ] blue armor [1/2] (15%) [b] [ Weapon ] pistol (2d5) [4/6] (P1) [c] [ Boots ] steel boots [1/1] (100%) (A) [d] [ Prepared ] rocket launcher (6d6) [0/1] -- Inventory ------------------------------------------------- [a] green armor [1/1] (100%) [b] green armor [1/1] (100%) [c] green armor [1/1] (100%) [d] blue armor [2/2] (100%) [e] 10mm ammo (x100) [f] 10mm ammo (x100) [g] 10mm ammo (x100) [h] 10mm ammo (x100) [i] 10mm ammo (x100) [j] 10mm ammo (x100) [k] 10mm ammo (x100) [l] 10mm ammo (x33) [m] 10mm ammo (x100) [n] 10mm ammo (x100) [o] 10mm ammo (x100) [p] 10mm ammo (x100) [q] 10mm ammo (x100) [r] rocket (x9) [s] rocket (x10) [t] 10mm ammo chain (x250) [u] 10mm ammo chain (x250) [v] 10mm ammo chain (x250) -- Resistances ----------------------------------------------- Plasma - internal 0% torso 5% feet 0% -- Kills ----------------------------------------------------- 36 former humans 23 former sergeants 2 former captains 31 imps 18 demons 36 lost souls 9 cacodemons 1 hell knight 2 bruiser brothers -- History --------------------------------------------------- He started his journey on the surface of Phobos. On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena. He left the Arena as a champion! On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly. On level 10 he finally killed by a soldier. -- Messages -------------------------------------------------- You see : a lost soul (almost dead) | floor | [ m ]ore Targeting canceled. You start running! The lost soul hits you. The lost soul misses you. The pain elemental spawns lost souls! The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. There is a Small Health Globe lying here. You feel better. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. Your blue armor is damaged! The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. The lost soul hits you. You see : barrel of napalm The barrel explodes! The lost soul dies. The lost soul dies. The lost soul dies. You die!... Press <Enter>... You see : a lost soul (unhurt) | floor | [ m ]ore -- General --------------------------------------------------- 65 brave souls have ventured into Phobos: 46 of those were killed. 1 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual. 18 souls destroyed the Mastermind... 3 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind. 15 killed the bitch and survived. --------------------------------------------------------------
Now that I'm getting the hang of dying, I might as well sink my teeth in. Another challenge that has thusfar gone uncompleted, but at least this time I was smart enough not to ragequit and watch my bronze go up in smoke.

Thought I'd give Sharpshooter another try, since it's still by far the most impressive build I've seen yet. After fullfilling the SOG requirement, I thought I'd take a detour past WK, since I'd have to assemble a storm bolter on the fly. It was actually a pretty good run; I was too chicken to do the wall, but the Anomaly went well enough without the missile launcher. Deimos got off to a promising start with a demon cave, and on the second level running into a knight I'd previously missed with no cover whatsoever, I simply took a gamble and he fell at my feet after I'd emptied a clip on him.

Then came the pain elemental. Even with a 0.4s fire time it managed to spawn 6 souls in 3 shots (seriously, what the hell?), 2 of which thus hit souls instead - I had no choice but to leg it. Since I obviously had no medpacks and was never going to make it to the door, or at least thought so, I decided to take the honourable way out instead and put a bullet through a barrel of lava I was standing next to.

In light of my previous demise (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5772.msg48323.html#msg48323), I might even try and see how many consecutive times I can't suffer death by lava barrel. So far, I'm starting to like it...
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: Chronos on May 27, 2012, 15:01: Pain Elementals are a big pain on the ass for pistols only runs. When you see a Pain Elemental you must kill it as fast as possible. But in your place, since the challenge was AoI, I would chose to keep the shotgun and some shells.
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: skarczew on May 27, 2012, 16:15: As for AoI, go for the most versatile build possible. Keep RL, chainfire weapons, shotguns, etc.

And Lost Souls are incredibly strong against pistol builds atm. I bet most of us had problems with them.
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: Sanctus on May 27, 2012, 17:48: Best pistol against PainEl and LostSouls - is shotgun
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: LuckyDee on May 28, 2012, 00:09: I was feeling lucky, and decided to just dump the shotgun altogether. Another lesson learned, I guess.

I'm still completely baffled as to the absurdly high spawn rate; 2 times in 0.8 seconds (it spawned after two consecutive shots) means it can actually spawn twice while I take a step. Should this be possible?
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: Klear on May 28, 2012, 01:28: Pain elementals have a chance to spawn lost souls whenever damaged.
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: skarczew on May 28, 2012, 03:21: Quote from: LuckyDee on May 28, 2012, 00:09
I was feeling lucky, and decided to just dump the shotgun altogether. Another lesson learned, I guess.
Do not underestimate the classic shotgun =) . I cleared the whole City of Skulls with it (and a little help of 2*Reloader and ShellBox) on AoCn runs.

Your inventory on AoI should allow you to keep almost every type of weapon, with a decent collection of ammo stacks for each.
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: Uranium on May 28, 2012, 04:48: Quote from: skarczew on May 28, 2012, 03:21
Do not underestimate the classic shotgun =).
Single shotgun brofist!

But yeah - whenever you aren't on a weapon restricted challenge, ALWAYS keep a shotgun with you. If I was doing a pistols AoI run, I'd probably have my pistol on primary slot, ammobox or combat shotgun (which should later be assembled into its tactical variant) in secondary then a rocket/missile launcher in reserve. If you're on a run of bad luck, the basic shotgun is more than enough of a substitute for a combat shotgun.
And remember - you don't need all that space for medpacks (who carries medpacks anyway?) so make sure you have ammo stacks equal to what you're probably gonna use (for example, i'd keep two ammo chains, three stacks of 10mm, three stacks of shells, one shell box, one rocket box, two stacks of rockets then cells and batteries for the rest.)
Title: Re: [M|AoI|88%|10|YASD] Pain Elementals and Pistols Rarely Mix
Post by: LuckyDee on May 28, 2012, 11:46: Quote from: skarczew on May 28, 2012, 03:21
Your inventory on AoI etc.

I usually carry no more than 3 medpacks, so there's not much difference there. Lesson learned for the next run, I just got cocky on this one.