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Title: [U|AoMC|99%|17|YASD] Didn't think Conqueror through...
Post by: Xtremekiwi on June 06, 2012, 08:10

I don't know why, but I want to get the explorer AND conqueror medals. At the same time as AoMC on UV. Yeah, maybe I should do explorer/conqueror on a lower difficulty, but oh well.

Anyway, the run was actually going fairly well. The Wall I had a small amount of trouble when I got blasted away from my corner, but pulled through.

Phobos Anomaly went not so well, but some knockback and the red armor allowed me to kill off all the enemies.
City of Skulls, thankfully I did not repeat the same mistake on my previous AoMC UV run and actually went in with a shotgun.

Cyberdemon? Cyberdemon's Head.

Of course, because I wanted to go for conqueror, that meant I had to do Unholy Cathedral, which meant I needed melee. I also knew that I would need melee protection. Thankfully I found a technical and an agility pack on the level with the stairs, as well as some red armor, so ballistic red armor.

Long story short, I grossly underestimated the damage that the AoD can do and the armor got destroyed, with me not long after. I wanted to equip red armor, but it was too late.

Next run, I'm gonna go for Berserker first (After Ammochain and the 1 Badass level), THEN go for Finesse/Whizkid. Hey, even on a non-melee build it's useful, especially on an AoMC build where damage taken is at it's greatest.

The skulls were meant for the Mortuary, but MAYBE it would have been a better idea to use the hatred skull on the demon corpses in UC so I could get the damage resist and double melee damage from Berserk. Oh well, maybe next time.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Xtremekiwi, level 13 Hell Baron Captain Marine,
 was ripped apart by the Angel of Death on level 1 of Hell.
 He survived 99125 turns and scored 181499 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 22 minutes and 24 seconds.
 He was a man of Ultra-Violence!

 He killed 828 out of 829 hellspawn. (99%)
 He was a real killing machine...
 He was an Angel of Max Carnage!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 8
  Levels completed : 7

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Cyberdemon's Head
  UAC Star (gold cluster)
  Hell Champion Medal
  Hell Armorer Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  .../.................%%./...%......XA.........###..=====..#
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  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/60   Experience 71299/13
  ToHit Ranged +12  ToHit Melee +12  ToDmg Ranged +2  ToDmg Melee +2

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Marine

    Finesse          (Level 3)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 2)
    Reloader         (Level 2)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Badass           (Level 1)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 2)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  SoB->SoB->TH->TH->Rel->Rel->MAc->Bad->Fin->Fin->WK->WK->Fin->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   red armor [2/4] (37%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   piercing chainsaw (5d6)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   tactical boots [0/0] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   combat shotgun (7d3) [5/5]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [68/68] (B2)
    [b] minigun (1d6)x8 [200/200]
    [c] missile launcher (6d6) [4/4]
    [d] nuclear plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [24/24]
    [e] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [g] shotgun shell (x70)
    [h] power cell (x20)
    [i] large med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] phase device
    [m] homing phase device
    [n] envirosuit pack
    [o] envirosuit pack
    [p] blood skull
    [q] fire skull
    [r] fire skull
    [s] hatred skull
    [t] Arena Master's Staff

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Fire       - internal 0%    torso 12%   feet 0%   

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    57 former humans
    38 former sergeants
    29 former captains
    133 imps
    64 demons
    293 lost souls
    38 cacodemons
    14 hell knights
    50 barons of hell
    36 arachnotrons
    8 former commandos
    29 pain elementals
    15 revenants
    7 mancubi
    11 arch-viles
    2 bruiser brothers
    1 shambler
    1 agony elemental
    1 Cyberdemon
    1 Arena Master

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 5 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
  He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
  On level 5 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 7 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
  On level 10 he found the Railgun!
  He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
  On level 11 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 13 he found the City of Skulls.
  He wiped out the City of Skulls.
  On level 14 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
  He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
  On level 15 he assembled a piercing blade!
  On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
  On level 17 he assembled a ballistic armor!
  On level 17 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 17 he finally was ripped apart by the Angel of Death.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You hit the Angel of Death. The Angel of Death hits you.
 You hit the Angel of Death. The Angel of Death hits you.
 You hit the Angel of Death.
 You hit the Angel of Death. The Angel of Death hits you.
 You hit the Angel of Death. The Angel of Death hits you. Your ballistic red
 armor is damaged!
 You miss the Angel of Death. The Angel of Death hits you.
 You hit the Angel of Death. The Angel of Death hits you. Your ballistic red
 armor is damaged!
 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed. The Angel of Death hits you.
 You hit the Angel of Death. The Angel of Death hits you. Your ballistic red
 armor is completely destroyed!
 You wear/wield : a red armor [4/4] (65%) The Angel of Death hits you. The
 Angel of Death hits you. Your red armor is damaged! You die!... Press
 <Enter>...
 There is a technical mod pack lying here.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 152 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 135 of those were killed.

 17 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 12 killed the bitch and survived.
 5 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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Title: Re: [U|AoMC|99%|17|YASD] Didn't think Conqueror through...
Post by: Klear on June 06, 2012, 08:14

I think the easiest way to get conqueror is by simply going melee. Shotgun your way through the arena and from the chained court it's all just chainsaw mayhem. Not sure about AoMC, though. Never tried a melee build there.

Title: Re: [U|AoMC|99%|17|YASD] Didn't think Conqueror through...
Post by: Xtremekiwi on June 06, 2012, 08:18

Quote from: Klear on June 06, 2012, 08:14

I think the easiest way to get conqueror is by simply going melee. Shotgun your way through the arena and from the chained court it's all just chainsaw mayhem. Not sure about AoMC, though. Never tried a melee build there.

On AoMC a melee build is just begging for trouble, seeing how enemies will almost always hit you, and on UV, where arch-viles appear as early as Deimos level 1 and others earlier, you will be dead before you even get to your enemy. On a different angel of or even on a standard run, yes, I can see the merits of a melee build, but on AoMC, I'm sorry, there's no way.

Title: Re: [U|AoMC|99%|17|YASD] Didn't think Conqueror through...
Post by: Creaphis on June 06, 2012, 08:54

As long as you don't over-specialize, melee characters should do fine in AoMC. By that I mean: don't drop every weapon besides the chainsaw. Keep getting most of your kills with ranged weapons and only use melee when it's absolutely appropriate.

The Angel of Death is tough, but actually not any tougher in AoMC than in regular games. He does 1d3+15 damage, meaning that in regular games he does 17 damage per attack on average, and in AoMC he does... 18. Non-melee characters should actually have an easier time fighting him in AoMC than in regular games because your attacks are guaranteed to hit, and for max damage, even without any points in brute.

Red armor definitely isn't enough, since 18-4 is still 14 damage per attack. Wearing ballistic red armor, you'll still take (18 x 0.7) - 4 = 8 or 9 damage, depending on how the engine rounds off numbers. What you want is a lot of melee resistance, which you can get from berserker, malicious blades or just some really good armour. If you're lucky enough you'll find a ballistic vest, which you can mod into a ballistic ballistic vest. Using a hatred skull in UC is a good idea if you have none of the above advantages.

Title: Re: [U|AoMC|99%|17|YASD] Didn't think Conqueror through...
Post by: ZicherCZ on June 07, 2012, 03:36

Once I managed to grab the Longinus Spear on AoMC UV without any melee talents nor weapons. What I needed was to be faster than he was, a bit of calculations and a bit of luck:

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I grabbed an invulnerability globe on 17 close to the stairs, and this carried me through the lost souls and demons. That was the bit of luck mentioned.

Then, the bit of calculation: AoD has 150% speed, equaling 0,67s/move or attack. I had something like 0,64s/move and 0,52s/attack.

So I was able to circle around the pillars in UC, keeping AoD at a distance, until I finally moved _two_ squares from him. Then, I waited for one turn, which brought him to my melee range, punched him, and moved away before he could retaliate. Rinse and repeat, and the spear was mine.

Note that without Brute and melee weapons you hit AoD for only 1HP each time, and he has 410HP on UV. It took me about out hour real-time until he finally fell.

Title: Re: [U|AoMC|99%|17|YASD] Didn't think Conqueror through...
Post by: Uranium on June 07, 2012, 04:50

If you don't want to take Brute, you can easily apply Game Hunter's Longinus Diamond strategy to UV - in fact it's easier on UV as enemies are slower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_vKQQTVH0&feature=plcp
Be warned: it takes a while - probably longer than ZicherCZ's kill, but doesn't require as much insanity timing.

Title: Re: [U|AoMC|99%|17|YASD] Didn't think Conqueror through...
Post by: ZicherCZ on June 07, 2012, 06:46

Quote from: Uranium on June 07, 2012, 04:50

If you don't want to take Brute, you can easily apply Game Hunter's Longinus Diamond strategy to UV - in fact it's easier on UV as enemies are slower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_vKQQTVH0&feature=plcp
Be warned: it takes a while - probably longer than ZicherCZ's kill, but doesn't require as much insanity timing.

Good strategy from GH.
I believe that if GH would run around the pillars in the lost souls room instead of the whole cathedral, the AoD kill would be _much_ faster than using my approach.
But the trick with demons lured into lava, that's something really worth remembering, and not only for AoMC and/or N!.