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Requests For Features / Re: Challenge modes ideas - old and new.

« on: April 09, 2009, 08:02 »

Tell me, are you trying to somehow piss me of and make go into a hissy fit about someone being a total jerk?

Visalos has a knack for witty, cutting remarks that would make most people mad... But if you're bright enough - you'll see that he really has a point. He just expresses it in a clever, aggravating, implicit form where you have to read between the lines a bit to get what he means.

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Requests For Features / Re: Things break too easily

« on: April 08, 2009, 12:37 »

In addition, rockets on the ground should explode when caught in an explosion. Could get messy with archviles resurrecting mancubi and revenants though :)

Oh, and a single rocket should create a small boom while a rocket x10 stack should make a KABOOM. Hehe, that would make luring monsters to doorways with dropped items even more fun.

I second that. There's never a reason NOT to have more explosions if you can ;).
I also think that they should differ in regard to what's been blown up.
Here's my list of ideas for ammo explosion types:
10mm - sends bullets flying in all directions
shells - powerful explosion with a very small radius
rockets - powerful explosion, the less damaging, the further from ground zero you are
cells - mixed explosion. A few cells scatter in all directions, while the rest reaches a critical mass and creates a BFG-like explosion

This poses threats to us, offers us chances and allows some strategic decisions (quasi-remote controled detonators)...

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Discussion / Re: "You enter Phobos Hell, level 4. You feel a sinister presence..."

« on: March 01, 2009, 07:27 »

http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php?topic=1168.0 - Angel of Bones

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Requests For Features / Re: The Nuke

« on: January 11, 2009, 05:34 »

The first part: if you can use it even after disarming, then dropping the bomb downstairs would be a problem. See, you drop it down, monsters throw it back at you, you keep dropping it down until it works. This is kind of silly. Arming the bomb while not invulnerable should have some sort of risk with it, like losing the bomb. If you screw up with the bomb so it would kill you, but manage to disarm it in time, I think the fact that you're still alive and kicking is good enough and the bomb should be taken away from you.

You have to get to the exact spot, on which the bomb landed and make a successful throw for disarming it, before it goes off. The point is - you can just get down the stairs, if you want to save yourself. If the bomb would end up being useless after disarming it - that's what you'd do. You only disarm it, if you're greedy enough to risk your life to get it back.

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Requests For Features / Re: The Nuke

« on: January 10, 2009, 17:00 »

1) Make it possible to shut down the nuke after arming it. Preferably with a chance to fail, as your doomguy is going all "OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT" and his hands are trembling as he's cutting the wires or some such. Maybe 50%=yay, 40%=fail, 10%=epic fail, bomb blows up in ya face.

There shouldn't be any additional detonation risk. It's not a booby trap - it's a bomb. You're not cutting wires - you're looking for the right button combination to press.
But - yeah - it should take a moment. A failure in one turn would, however, give you the opportunity to try again, with no penalty... unless the timer hit zero.

Also after disarming the bomb it should be useless so you wouldn't be able to use it again.

Nah. You should be able to turn it on and off as many times as you'd like. The fact that you have to stand still and work on the damn thing is a penalty in itself. You get thrown away by a stray acid ball - you die, as you probably won't get close enough to try for the second time...

3) Make it possible for the nuke to get thrown back up. Always in the case of lvl 25(or 26). The checking for monsters thing is too complicated I think, just make it a flat % or something like (10 + level#)% chance. Well that might not work so well in an Ao100 but it's supposed to be a challenge after all...

That would mean a 30% chance on level 20... Seems a bit too high. Let it just be level#%.

4) When leaving a level, check for an armed nuke. If one is found then blow it up but don't apply damage to the player. This way you'd get to see the explosions and stuff like normally.

I like to watch stuff blow up... but you went down the stairs. You don't see it - you hear it from a safe distance. Besides - it takes a little bit to really blow up...

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Discussion / Re: Juggler dual wield melee?

« on: January 10, 2009, 11:11 »

*cough**cough* http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php?topic=1792.msg14247 *cough**cough* ;)

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Requests For Features / Re: The Nuke

« on: January 10, 2009, 10:09 »

I dunno. I don't really like any of these ideas. From a programming standpoint, 1 and 3 would be sorta hell. That, and ... they make it too easy. Free EXP for doing that, really?

2 isn't that bad of an idea, I suppose.

1* would be easy. Add a variable "XPfrompreviouslevel", when the player leaves the level - check for active nukes on that level. If the is one - count how much XP all the monsters on the level give, put the result into the XPfrompreviouslevel variable. Upon entering the new level the game would automatically check if XPfrompreviouslevel>0. If so - it would add that much XP to the player and output the message about the explosion. If we want it to be added only after the ammount of turn left on the bomb, we need another variable, like Timetillexplosion, which would give the XP after the right amount of turns (left on the bomb when leaving the level) has passed.
If *I* can figure out how it could be put into the game, then I'm sure it can't be that hard.

As for "making it too easy"... You lose EVERY SINGLE THING that could be useful on that level. No levers, power-up, ammo, weapons, mods, med-packs, phase devices... No uniques... Nothing. It's trading the possible gain into XP and safety. You'd mostly want to do that, when you're full on health and got everything you need... in which case - you probably could just go through the level and grind everything to death.
Think about it. It's just a level skip with XP. And you wouldn't do that, if you REALLY want to have that nuke till the very end.
Also - it would make Ao100 a bit easier, I guess...

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Requests For Features / Re: The Nuke

« on: January 10, 2009, 08:03 »

Hey - if it's the only reason it's overpowered, it's not hard to fix it. Just make an exception for the Arena (and the last level) with something like this: "10... You toss the nuke down the staircase... Some monster throws it back ! 3... 2..." ;). You can even have a (small) chance to get the nuke thrown back to you from a regular level (depending on level difficulty ?), which then you would need to deactivate. It would suggest, however, that if the nuke does get thrown back, there should be monsters with hands in the first room of the next level (or it gets thrown back IF there  are monsters with hands there).

That's true, but I thought that exception would be unfair to the player who figured out that nuke strategy and tried to use it there.  As long as it's not an instadeath, it should be fine, though, and I'm warming to the idea of a more versatile nuke.

No instadeath - that's the whole point. The player would just either go "Oh SHIT ! Turn it off, turn it off, TURN IT OFF !" or duck into the next level for cover... Having Hellrunner would make disarming the bomb a LOT easier, though...

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Requests For Features / Re: The Nuke

« on: January 10, 2009, 07:50 »

Ultraportable nuke.  Can be dropped down a staircase to clear out the level before you enter it, with obvious applications.

3* We should be able to drop it down to the next level, regardless of whether it's a special level or not. Would make the nuke useful regardless of nearby Inv Globes and would add some more possibilities. We would be tempted to drop it down, get the XP and not risk getting hurt, while also losing all the items and power-ups we might have recovered...
Implementation should be easy... Generate a level, place a nuke, blow it up, save the level... voila.

I agree with the first two suggestions (including the delay before you receive the experience -- that's a nice touch!) but the last one is overpowered.  It would give a guaranteed full win, and Kornel has said he wants that to remain a matter of chance.

Hey - if it's the only reason it's overpowered, it's not hard to fix it. Just make an exception for the Arena (and the last level) with something like this: "10... You toss the nuke down the staircase... Some monster throws it back ! 3... 2..." ;). You can even have a (small) chance to get the nuke thrown back to you from a regular level (depending on level difficulty ?), which then you would need to deactivate. It would suggest, however, that if the nuke does get thrown back, there should be monsters with hands in the first room of the next level (or it gets thrown back IF there  are monsters with hands there).

1) The lower the level, the higher the chance of an enemy throwing it back up

Meh. The lower levels are precisely what you would want to skip with the nuke. Let's not make it useless. I'd still go with the "monsters-with-hands" idea.

2) The closer to detonation, the higher the chance of an enemy throwing it back up

I think you would throw it by standing on the stairs and using it. So... Yeah - if it would get thrown back, it would have a bit less time to detonation. You'd have to get to it REALLY fast to turn it off. Or just plunge into the next level.

3) Standing on/near the stairs at detonation will still vaporize the player.

It should deal damage, but not full. But - yeah - it should have some blast radius, so you'd have to run away after throwing it in. You're shielded by the floor, so let's just make it like a barrel explosion, with the stairs in the center. Perhaps - a bit higher damage, but same radius...

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Requests For Features / The Nuke

« on: January 10, 2009, 06:41 »

Ultraportable nuke.  Can be dropped down a staircase to clear out the level before you enter it, with obvious applications.

I think that the nuke we have right now needs some changes.
1* It should kill all the monsters and give us XP on the previous level, if we prime it and leave the level before it goes off... I can already imagine receiving a message "You suddenly hear a violent eruption !" on the level below...
As for implementation - calculate the XP for all the monsters left on the level, save that value when the level perishes, give it to the player either the same moment he enters the new level (east) or after the amount of turn it had left till explosion (minus the time needed to go down the stairs).
2* We should be able to turn it off by 'u'sing it while primed. (We... can't turn it off right now, right ? I never tried to...)
It might sound like making it more easy, but we would make a frantic run for turning it off possible and save a few marines whose invulnerability worn out just before the blast... Besides - turning something off just before it blows you into oblivion is always fun ;).
3* We should be able to drop it down to the next level, regardless of whether it's a special level or not. Would make the nuke useful regardless of nearby Inv Globes and would add some more possibilities. We would be tempted to drop it down, get the XP and not risk getting hurt, while also losing all the items and power-ups we might have recovered...
Implementation should be easy... Generate a level, place a nuke, blow it up, save the level... voila.

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Requests For Features / Re: Armor Mod: Armor Regeneration

« on: January 10, 2009, 06:18 »

I concur that unique mods, and for that matter unique consumables in general, are a good idea.  Other possibilities for artifact items:

(...)

All of these would be destroyed on use, of course.

A unique item should be permanent, IMO.

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Requests For Features / Re: Challenge modes ideas - old and new.

« on: January 09, 2009, 09:59 »

Read the description to plasma cells - the peak of demons frying technology!  They're not human.

Why ? It's the peak of the technology, created with the purpose of frying demons. You think that the demons like to fry themselves that much ;) ?
It's "demon-frying" technology, not frying technology of demon origin...

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Requests For Features / Re: Challenge modes ideas - old and new.

« on: January 08, 2009, 09:57 »

Generally, yes, that's exactly what my idea was. But cave levels would present a problem here, because of the much higher chance that a large swath of the map will be covered in lava or worse, actually inaccessible normally. Something would need to be done to get the player through those in this challenge.

Perhaps he should only see every FLOOR tile ? Flooding the level would then be the easy way out... Then again - a risky one, too ;).

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Requests For Features / Re: Challenge modes ideas - old and new.

« on: January 08, 2009, 07:40 »

Exploration: the stairs don't appear until you've seen every tile of the map. This will make cave levels totally gross, of course, so fix it by having envirosuits or computer maps spawn at least once a level.

I think there shouldn't be any computer maps at all in this challenge. And wading through lava would just be one of the fun things about it (that, or having an envirosuit with you) ;). Other then that - a great idea, IMO.

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Requests For Features / Re: Inventory slot Trait

« on: January 02, 2009, 17:33 »

Even if it gave you 5 more slots, it would still be pointless, because it would only promote picking up more stuff than is really useful. Either picking up things that are not useful at all or picking up stuff that you need less of. In both cases - you're doing it wrong.

I disagree. 5 more slots means a CG char can safely pick up a backup dblSG w/ammo and/or a chainsaw and/or more 10mm ammo so he can swap a rank of EE for one of SoaB, for whatever reason he has. Unbalanced or not, it certainly isn't pointless.

Yeah, a 5-slot trait just sounded unbalanced. Then again - it sounded alluring at the same time...
Hey - why not make "Backpack" a trait and change the reward for the Wall ? Or just add a trait that allows you to carry more ammo per slot...