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Almafeta

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Change 'Plasma Rifle' to 'Plasma Pistol'
« on: December 27, 2005, 18:32 »

Two reasons why I think it should be 'Plasma Pistol,' not 'Plasma Rifle':

1.  I always think that 'Plasma Rifle' is an error o_o;

2.  The 'Son of a gun' trait would apply to it, making that trait a bit more appealing.
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2005, 19:44 »

Quoting: Almafeta
2. The 'Son of a gun' trait would apply to it, making that trait a bit more appealing.

whoa! you want to make a ranged weapon that does 8*1d8 be able to shoot for 8*(1d8+6)? that's from 8-64 damage to 56-112 damage per shot! methinks that would be way overpowered.

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2005, 20:09 »

1.  If you manage to get there with the pistol as your primary weapon, you DESERVE it.

2.  Seriously, how many times do you get to fire the plasma rifle?
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2005, 20:19 »

1: actually getting there using only shotgun types of weapons is a lot harder (at least for me cause i'm such an abuser of the system a.k.a. shooting enemies outside of your vision)

2: lots.. i killed the cyberdemon 7 times now, got to plasma rifles roughly twice that number.

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2005, 23:49 »

Quoting: Almafeta
1. I always think that 'Plasma Rifle' is an error o_o;

Ehhh? Why?!?
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2005, 23:21 »

It was called plasma rifle and was a plasma rifle in doom/doom2, it will be the same here.
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Change 'Plasma Rifle' to 'Plasma Pistol'
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 04:58 »

When I first read this feature request I was all against. Why? Because I already said I'm against non-doom weapons. Yet, it came to my attention that a Plasma Pistol COULD fill a tactical niche in the game. Remarks:

1) It would provide a stronger pistol-like weapon for use with the "son of a gun" trait, and the Pistol-ony challenge.
2) It would provide a earlier and more efficient opportunity to waste... err... use plasma clips.
3) It would provide a single-shot non-spreading powerful weapon.
4) It could be the later-weapon of people who prefer finesse over rampage

Please elaborate, I may submit this upon a vote in the future...
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 17:19 »

If you mean adding Plasma Pistol as an new weapon, then perhaps yes ... If you consider changing Plasma Rifle into pistol than no :]
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 17:47 »

Quoting: Malek
If you mean adding Plasma Pistol as an new weapon, then perhaps yes ... If you consider changing Plasma Rifle into pistol than no :]

My opinion as well.
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2005, 19:12 »

Yes, as a new weapon would be the better option imo. but what would it's stats be? i like something like 10 ammo and 2d6 damage.. or 3d4.

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2005, 21:05 »

2d6 seems reasonable for damage; with maxed SoaG you'd be dealing between 8 and 18 damage per hit. With 10 shots before reload, you could deal 80 to 180 damage, with a 60% reduction in firing time to boot. I would go with a 6-ammo "clip" because a gun like that FAR outstrips the rocket launcher (4d4 per reload) or double shotgun (2[6d3] per reload), which I can see as being equivalent weapons at that stage of the game.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2005, 23:52 »

60 turns rocketlauncher: 3*4d4 (shoot, reload, shoot, reload, shoot) = 12-48 (average 3*10=30)
60 turns plasma pistol 2d6: 6*2d6 = 12-72 (average 6*7=49)

even a 6 ammo clip would outstrip a rocketlauncher in the long run.. but you're forgetting the knockback from rockets and shells, and that for 1 shot rocketlaunchers and double shotguns are far superior (you can often hide in safety while reloading).

edit: and yes, if you add lvl 3 son of a gun it is definitely better than the rocketlauncher or double shotgun.. but 3 levels is a lot in this game!

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2005, 02:34 »

The rockets and shells do have the knockback going for them. The Plasma Pistol still outdamages the rocket launcher and double shotgun with maxed SoaG, and it still has the -60% firing time going for it (how many extra shots would that be?). But without any points in SoaG, you get 2-12 damage before considering any other abilities you may have, which even the chaingun can outstrip handily (and with more plentiful ammo that doesn't compete with the BFG, to boot).

It could very well be the case that someone who sinks points into SoaG might never find the Plasma Pistol in the first place, be it through RNG fickleness or a shotgun guy setting off an adjacent barrel because. For me, at least, unless I knew for a FACT that I could get my hands on one of them (or if I was doing a pistol-only challenge), I'd be better off investing my skill points in other skills.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2005, 02:36 »

Yes, but still, that is YOUR opinion, although really, it could perhaps be found in hells arena or chained court as a prize to help you out along your quest through hell?
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2005, 03:02 »

Quoting: jimmyj
it could perhaps be found in hells arena or chained court as a prize to help you out along your quest through hell?


I think this is a good idea. It would remove some of the uncertainty about "wasting" points on a skill.
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