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[M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« on: December 06, 2008, 03:22 »

First, the mortem. Notes at bottom.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Adam, level 10 Demon Lieutenant, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 156846 turns and scored 92603 points.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 570 out of 584 hellspawn. (97%)
 He held his right to remain violent.


-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 42/50   Experience 45018/10
  ToHit +2  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse        (Level 2)
    Tough as nails (Level 2)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 1)
    Whizkid        (Level 2)
    Badass         (Level 3)

  TaN->TaN->Bad->Bad->Bad->EE->Fin->Fin->WK->WK->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   green armor [1/1] (63%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   Missile Launcher (7d6) [1/4]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [2/2] (92%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [9/169] (R1M2)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified chaingun (1d7)x5 [50/50] (D1S2)
    [b] modified plasma rifle (1d9)x8 [40/40] (D1R1A1)
    [c] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [d] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [g] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [k] 10mm ammo (x42)
    [l] rocket (x10)
    [m] rocket (x10)
    [n] rocket (x10)
    [o] rocket (x10)
    [p] rocket (x5)
    [q] power cell (x45)
    [r] small med-pack
    [s] large med-pack
    [t] large med-pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    107 former humans
    80 former sergeants
    28 former captains
    88 imps
    67 demons
    40 lost souls
    17 cacodemons
    13 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    9 hell knights
    14 arachnotrons
    4 former commandos
    8 pain elementals
    6 arch-viles
    8 mancubi
    4 revenants

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 5 he found the Phaseshift Armor!
  On level 12 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 14 he found the Missile Launcher!
  On level 19 he found the Assault Shotgun!
  On level 19 he entered the Vaults.
  He came, he saw, but he left.
  On level 21 he found the Baron Armor!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You swap your weapon. There are stairs leading downward here.
 You prepare the BFG 9000! There are stairs leading downward here.
 
 You enter a big arena. There's blood everywhere. You hear heavy mechanical
 footsteps...
 The Cyberdemon fires! You are hit!
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The Cyberdemon fires! You are hit!
 You swap your weapon. The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 25 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 19 of those were killed.
 And 5 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 1 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 killed the bastard and survived.

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So. While I have won on easy (twice, though one was in a different scorelist... tack on a hundred or so deaths and it should be about right) this is my first HNTR win. Since I have to finish challenge games to advance my skill rank, and you have to do challenge games on M or higher, I figured I'd try to get a normal win before I tried to tackled the challenge games more than I already had. And it was tough: getting this win I died 135 times (does that count the times I quit on level 1 because the formers grabbed the health packs?).

After having read plenty about shotguns VS chainguns/plasmas, etc, I decided to hold off on taking traits that would more or less lock me in to one route or another. That was the idea behind getting Badass up so early (that and it essentially doubles your health). After a while I decided to go with the minigun, since shotgun rounds can get a bit scarce lategame after sergeants stop spawning regularly. Even so I never really took that many minigun-specific traits; Finesse works just as well on a shotgun as a minigun, as does Whizkid.

I caught myself packratting too much at one point; I was lugging around about a half-dozen weapon mods, praying for an advanced weapon (which never showed up). Finally I used some and dumped some so I wouldn't be leaving so much ammo behind; even so, I felt like I was leaving behind a huge amount of ammo, and I kept praying for the Wall to generate so I could grab the backpack. It never did, unfortunately; nor did Hell's Armory.

Around 15 or 16 I started running out of bullets. Fortunately by then I'd found (and modded) a plasma, the BFG, and the missile launcher, which I used for a while until I also ran out of energy cells (stupid move, but I survived anyways). Damn the plasma rifle eats those things fast. It was somewhere around here that the Assault Shotty spawned, causing me to be most upset that I'd dumped all my shotgun shells.

The BFG also saved me several times, though I was moderately upset when I noticed that despite what the Wiki says, it does in fact destroy weapons and ammo. The rest of the game was mostly uneventful once captains started spawning in numbers; Supercharge packs were plentiful, I rarely dipped below 100% health until the last couple levels. Some well-placed "humid" levels allowed me to get over lava to grab piles of energy cells to feed my hungry hungry BFG. As you can see the thing has a quite enormous magazine.

I was very tempted to enter the Mortuary, for the advanced BFG and the armor; I decided not to though based on the fact that at that point, I didn't have that many mods to slap on it since Whizkid had allowed me to put most of them on my other guns. I didn't want to risk getting killed at that point.

Cybie was a piece of cake. When you have a BFG that shoots four times before needing a reload, and it's backed up by a rocket launcher that does the same... anything else is overkill.

Overall I have this to say: The Wiki is a handy resource, but it doesn't contain nearly enough information, and some of it is inaccurate. While I applaud the attempts at making it non-spoily, a more spoily section would be nice too. I've spent quite a bit of time trying to work out how to get into the left and center rooms of the Vaults; rockets work on the right room, but they don't seem to work on the left one no matter where I try, and I can guess the center walls are indestructible. The only way I've been able to get into either was with phase devices and carrying around enough of those to get into every room that way is just not practical. This is the only reason my game isn't a 100%: I went to the vaults looking for ammo and weapons (Found the Baron Armor in there I think), and couldn't get into 2/3 of the room (phase device didn't land me anywhere useful) and had to leave the monsters alive.
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Re: [M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 08:49 »

(does that count the times I quit on level 1 because the formers grabbed the health packs?).
Nope.

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That was the idea behind getting Badass up so early (that and it essentially doubles your health).

Interesting. I'll try that some time.

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The BFG also saved me several times, though I was moderately upset when I noticed that despite what the Wiki says, it does in fact destroy weapons and ammo.

I'm pretty sure that while it does destroy stuff, it doesn't do it quite as persistantly as the rocket launcher. I think the BFG leaves behind walls, at least.

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I was very tempted to enter the Mortuary, for the advanced BFG and the armor; I decided not to though based on the fact that at that point, I didn't have that many mods to slap on it since Whizkid had allowed me to put most of them on my other guns. I didn't want to risk getting killed at that point.

Judging by the looks of your inventory, that sounds like it would've cost you your life. 3-4 medpacks and 200 cells just isn't enough.

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[b] modified plasma rifle (1d9)x8 [40/40] (D1R1A1)
 

Accuracy mods on a plasma rifle anything? Blasphemy. I don't like the look of that reload one either. Basically, if you're reloading in combat then you deserve to have it take really long and die as a result. Though I suppose you did get whizkid and were probably itching to put SOMETHING on it.

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Re: [M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2008, 20:53 »

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That was the idea behind getting Badass up so early (that and it essentially doubles your health).

Interesting. I'll try that some time.

You can usually get at least one level in it before you finish Hell's Arena (if you finish Hell's Arena, I should say; HA claims a good number of my guys). If nothing else it makes that supercharge last a hell of a lot longer.

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The BFG also saved me several times, though I was moderately upset when I noticed that despite what the Wiki says, it does in fact destroy weapons and ammo.

I'm pretty sure that while it does destroy stuff, it doesn't do it quite as persistantly as the rocket launcher. I think the BFG leaves behind walls, at least.


Perhaps. I hadn't noticed, since the times I used it there were usually barrels around too. Did I mention the 4x8 room I came down stairs from, where my half was empty and the other half was packed full of red B's and h's, which spilled out of the room through the two doors on that side of the room? Yeah, I was glad for the BFG at that point. Didn't get any ammo out of the deal but hey, everything (but me) died.

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I was very tempted to enter the Mortuary, for the advanced BFG and the armor; I decided not to though based on the fact that at that point, I didn't have that many mods to slap on it since Whizkid had allowed me to put most of them on my other guns. I didn't want to risk getting killed at that point.

Judging by the looks of your inventory, that sounds like it would've cost you your life. 3-4 medpacks and 200 cells just isn't enough.

You're probably right.

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[b] modified plasma rifle (1d9)x8 [40/40] (D1R1A1)
 
Accuracy mods on a plasma rifle anything? Blasphemy. I don't like the look of that reload one either. Basically, if you're reloading in combat then you deserve to have it take really long and die as a result. Though I suppose you did get whizkid and were probably itching to put SOMETHING on it.

Hush ;) Yeah, I just happened to have them floating around, and had nothing better to put on really. I never really used the PR anyways. Power cells are too rare for me to be burning them like they ain't no thing... I'd rather feed them into my BFG and use the minigunchaingun/rockets to take out everything else.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2008, 16:19 by Ischaldirh »
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Re: [M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2008, 21:32 »

Quick reply:

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IT'S CALLED A CHAINGUN THE MINIGUN IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT UNIQUE WEAPON
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Re: [M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2008, 22:27 »

but they don't seem to work on the left
They work, believe me :P . I wasted around 30 rockets, but I found the place :) .
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Re: [M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2008, 16:19 »

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IT'S CALLED A CHAINGUN THE MINIGUN IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT UNIQUE WEAPON
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My bad. Fix'd.

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They work, believe me :P . I wasted around 30 rockets, but I found the place :) .

Where is it?
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Re: [M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2008, 05:56 »

Where is it?
I won't help you with the left vault - I have anti-spoiler attitude ;) .
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Re: [M|97%|YAVP] Finally, a winner...
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2008, 14:44 »

>:(
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