DRL > Discussion

My Dream Patch Notes v1.0

<< < (4/7) > >>

Thexare:

--- Quote from: LoneVandal on March 01, 2009, 10:12 ---The inadvertent point of separating Ao100 and standard / challenge modes is actually to make the latter 2 modes present less randomized gameplay,

--- End quote ---
You must be new to roguelikes.

Roguelikes are randomized. It's a large part of the draw. I like the randomness, and I'm sure a lot of other people do too.

Also, it's true that three PDs and an HPD wouldn't guarantee you could get everything - but the HPD would guarantee that you wouldn't get trapped. And yes, I've been trapped there before, on an AoMr game that was going very well before then.

LoneVandal:
This game has too many constants supported already (namely, the limited monster types and singular method of killing ALL of them) for wacky RNG to come into play heavily as it does in traditional RLs.  The world does not allow the depth of interaction which makes Nethack's RNG so mischievous, yet fair.  In DooM RL, with such defined monster progression and tactics, RNG influence just doesn't really have a place in my opinion.  I don't want to win the game because I found the Missile Launcher, I want to win because despite the fighting being designed to be difficult, smart decisions about traits and item management (ammo, medkits, mods) leads to victory.  As of right now the only difficult part of the game is the very beginning when you have no traits, weapons, or red armor.  Once you get to floor 20 you're already a god of death if you picked the right traits, even without a unique weapon.  With a unique weapon you may as well quit playing because you can't lose.

How to win DooM RL every time:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)Never pull a switch
Eagle Eye 2x
Cat Eye 2x
Get a Chaingun on floor 2 and snipe with it vs. less dangerous stuff
Get a Rocket Launcher on Hell Arena after floor 2 and use it to knock Barons of Hell / other big nasties out of their firing range from the edge of your vision, repeat as they try to walk back towards you until they die
Get either Son of a Bitch x3 and turn your Chaingun / Plasma Gun into a way overpowered IWIN button
Or get Tough as Nails x3 and never worry about dying again
Get both eventually and Hell Runner, you really have no excuse for dying any more
Use the Plasma Rifle as your ammo starts to pile up, but you don't really need it as your sniping 3x Son of a Bitch Chaingun (1 volley cacao demon kills woop woop) is more than a match for most demons you don't want to use the Rocket range denial trick (exploit?) on.
Skip The Cathedral and The Mortuary if you want to guarantee success, though you can probably take on the Mortuary if you've got a BFG / Rockets and a few PDs for when you start getting surrounded.
No amount of RNG built into the current version DooMRL can beat this strategy as your power grows exponentially (especially with Son of a Bitch).  I was able to figure this out in a few days, which would be impossible for most Roguelikes, if you really want to keep going down that road.  I appreciate DooMRL for what it is, which is NOT a traditional RL but something unique with interesting enough original gameplay to stand on its own.  I would love it if the developer embraced the things that separate it from standard Roguelikes (the item customization system, especially) rather than trying to shoehorn in features from them.

rekenne:
... I would highly disagree that that leads to a win every time. Especially on VH.
Besides - That is what the challenges are for.

Kornel Kisielewicz:
I just wanted to say that I follow this discussion closely, I just don't have much time on my hands to take part in it. LoneVandal, your "patch" idea is very majorly striking at balance, but I see where you are heading, and I like some of the ideas. Yes, many of those could be tweaked when modding gets in.

Please continue the discussion, and don't mind the hooded shady figure sitting in the corner and taking notes :P.

rekenne:
Is the hooded figure working on fixing Phase Devices in the beta? =P
I want to get at beta action, but the game crashing when I get to Hell Knights is annoying.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page