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Author Topic: [M|AoMr|99%|YASD] How do you get past these guys on AoMr?  (Read 2146 times)

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Bobby Prince, level 6 Cacodemon Sergeant Major, killed by a bruiser brother
 on level 15 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 85251 turns and scored 31629 points.
 He played for 37 minutes and 44 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 294 out of 296 hellspawn. (99%)
 He was a real killing machine...
 He was an Angel of Marksmanship!


-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Hell Champion Medal

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  ..........#...%.............................##....#....#|##
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -4/50   Experience 14886/6
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Son of a gun     (Level 2)
    Dualgunner       (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)

  SoG->SoG->DG->HR->HR->DM->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   modified onyx armor [2] (A)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   modified pistol (2d4) [5/6] (T1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [4/4] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified pistol (2d5) [5/6] (P1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified blue armor [2/2] (100%) (A)
    [b] 10mm ammo (x4)
    [c] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [d] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [g] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [k] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [l] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [m] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [n] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [o] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] large med-pack
    [r] large med-pack
    [s] large med-pack
    [t] large med-pack
    [u] technical mod pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    88 former humans
    33 former sergeants
    15 former captains
    68 imps
    15 demons
    45 lost souls
    18 cacodemons
    9 hell knights
    1 former commando
    2 pain elementals

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 15 he finally was killed by a bruiser brother.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the bruiser brother. The
 missile hits the bruiser brother.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the bruiser brother. The
 missile hits the bruiser brother. The bruiser brother fires! You are hit!
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the bruiser brother.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the bruiser brother. The
 missile hits the bruiser brother.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the bruiser brother. The
 missile hits the bruiser brother. The bruiser brother hits you.
 Your weapon is empty.
 Your weapon is empty.
 You dualreload your guns! The bruiser brother hits you. The bruiser brother
 hits you.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the bruiser brother. The
 missile hits the bruiser brother. The bruiser brother hits you. You

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 305 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 235 of those were killed.
 3 of those were killed by something unknown.
 37 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 22 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 8 souls claim to have killed him...
 5 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 1 killed the bastard and survived.
 2 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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The Bruiser Brothers are the single most common cause of death in promising AoMr runs for me.  Any ways I can remedy this?
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Re: [M|AoMr|99%|YASD] How do you get past these guys on AoMr?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2010, 17:34 »

you could flee :)  but yeah, I'm not prone to that either.  maybe try going for more damage instead of Gun Kata?  Finesse/WK can work if you're lucky with mods, or just grab SoaB.  But get SoaG #3 by level 4 at the latest (I prefer level 3), no matter what your build goal is.

you can get a few shots at a BB from offscreen - perhaps a lot with your Hellrunner build.  Remember, you know where they start, so make sure you're on the same row as one when you open their door.
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Re: [M|AoMr|99%|YASD] How do you get past these guys on AoMr?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2010, 00:24 »

As a means to make Hellgate easier in general, pack a few phases and warp your way to the other side. Even if you still plan on killing everything, avoiding the parts where everything gangs up on you is pretty useful.

On AoMr, you have the unfortunate disadvantage of not having a RL for the first part, though I suppose your question isn't directed toward the first part...I would like to note that, if you aren't aiming for MGK, it turns out a fair deal harder. Simply put, my favorite strategy is to shoot down the door on the right (the one you can't see; shoot off about 5 bullets, should do the trick), activate running on the tile before the walls come down, then run for the opening. Since it's a lot less crowded on the other side, you can weed out the enemies a lot easier.

Anyway, for the Bruiser Brothers. If you're hellbent on MGK, I wouldn't think about fighting them. Since this is HNTR, you won't get anything better than level 7 before Hellgate, and you'll end up using at least a stack of bullets on them alone (assuming you are even given the chance to do). The only simple method of fighting the Bruisers is to have a chance of knockback, which keeps them at bay indefinitely so that you can kill them. This means, at the very minimum, four more damage than a pistol's maximum output has. This can be accomplished with as little as SoGx2 and the power mod from completing Hell's Arena, although it's better to have more than a 10% chance (less per bullet if you're dual-wielding without both modded) against the impending march of the Bruisers.

The rest is just as rchandra suggests: SoGx3 is pretty important regardless of build, and SoB gets you toward a very reliable knockbacking attack. Since you're playing HNTR, where level 12 is for Conquerors, you don't have the luxury to go for everything, so I'll make your options clear.

Start SoG -> SoG, then either
- SoG -> DG (single pistol allows for better use of pre-game mod, faster attack)
- DG -> SoG (double pistols get more DPS, usually in a better position to reload)
depending on how you approach HA.

At level five, you have a few selections.
- Fin -> Fin -> WK( -> WK) is in hopes of super-modding. Additionally, it can be combined with the MGK build or SoB build, though is usually taken after either one.
- HR -> HR -> DM -> MGK is, obviously, for Gun Kata, which is great if you plan on running around shooting things in the open. This, however, is typically not a very good strategy when playing pistols. In the end, the benefits aren't all that great, and it blocks off SoB. Additionally, it can be combined with the Fin/WK build. If you have a unique pistol, however, get this (if only because reloading is much less of a hassle).
- SoB -> SoB ( -> SoB) is for unparalleled power. After the first shot you're definitely getting some knockback, regardless of mods, and the next two only increase your chances. It blocks MGK (but not HR/DM).
- EE, before (and combined with) any of the aforementioned builds. Since you aren't spraying your enemies with damage (ala shotguns or rapid-fire) every single shot counts. Even from the farthest range, +6-to-hit is usually enough to ensure that you're hitting with just about all your bullets. It's a personal favorite of mine, though on easier difficulties where you're strapped for traits, you may be better off ignoring it.

On higher difficulties where MGK has been blocked (ie, pretty much every AoMr UV game I've played), you sometimes mix Rel in there so Vile packs don't get out of hand. Otherwise, I stick to this script, throwing in Iro whenever it's needed.

In conclusion, Bruisers on Hellgate require knockback, and the only way you can ensure that on HNTR is to make a beeline for as much damage: SoGx3, DG, and as many SoBs as you can muster. If you really like MGK, by all means, play it: just be warned that it is not a YAAM-friendly build.
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Re: [M|AoMr|99%|YASD] How do you get past these guys on AoMr?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 23:50 »

On a related topic, having everything needed to angel arm the hellgate is one of the most satisfying things around.
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