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drugon:
Well now you need Reload (2) to get... hm MAC. ^_^ But with MAC you even don't need to reload your chain weapon. So it (Reload trait) becomes useless. Don't you think that it's kinda strange?

grommile:
Even with MAC and a five-mod plasma rifle, there are still jobs for which you want a BFG or a rocket launcher, both of which benefit quite a lot from Reloader.

Sambojin:

--- Quote ---Well now you need Reload (2) to get... hm MAC. ^_^ But with MAC you even don't need to reload your chain weapon. So it (Reload trait) becomes useless. Don't you think that it's kinda strange?
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Reloader is like that in all the master traits it's used in. For MAD an MFa you won't need reloader all that much with shottyman providing the move/reload that it does. But it does help when you need the other weapons (MFa doesn't actually boost damage in any way at all for shotguns, although it is a shotgun-centric master trait).

Think of it as Reloader(1)=good, Reloader(2)=great, MAC/shottyman=best. It's more of a scale up of reloader, not a redundancy.

drugon:
Well I agree with that. But anyway I think that MAC is the strongest master trait in its current state. And it's not too hard to get good chain weapon. Talking about shotguns. Even now you can't get MAD if you want to get Whizkid. But with any other master trait you can.

Sambojin:
It's just for balance though. Being able to multi-power-mod shotguns would be too good with MAD. It already makes all shotguns better on a per-ammo basis than virtually all other weapons (MAC aside), and even compete's with most on a DPS basis. Especially in the end-game where most things have at least a point or two of armour and considering the AOE effect of shotguns. MAD shotgun shells are better than plasma, and plasma is the best thing otherwise in the game.

Have a look at the Elephant Gun and the Tactical Shotgun(or Assault Shotgun). Then think that those minimums and averages are EXACTLY the damage you can expect and sometimes more. Then take a look at the Focused Double Barrel Shotgun. There is a reason that MAD specc'ed characters can't use it. Even a Combat Shotgun(p3) would be pretty friggin scary.

MAC isn't the most uber trait out there now. Reloader is just the most versatile trait build-wise. MAC still is bloody good though (no matter what crops up in the game, you'll ALWAYS have a good ammo-free weapon. It's like they gave you a firestorm-mod and a useable nano-mod on the first plasma gun you came across. Anything better and you'll destroy things almost too easily. But you'll always get that plasma gun at some stage regardless).

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