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[N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« on: June 04, 2011, 18:54 »

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.3) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Game Hunter, level 16 Hell Baron 1st Lieutenant, sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 147745 turns and scored 769316 points.
 He played for 3 hours, 1 minute and 44 seconds.
 He opposed the Nightmare!

 He killed 1476 out of 1758 hellspawn. (83%)
 He was an Angel of Max Carnage!


-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 10
  Levels visited   : 10
  Levels completed : 7

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (gold cluster)
  Aurora Medallion
  Explorer Badge
  Hell Champion Medal
  Hell Arena Key
  Hell Arena Pwnage Medal
  Hell Armorer Badge
  Destroyer Bronze Badge
  Destroyer Silver Badge
  Destroyer Gold Badge
  Destroyer Platinum Badge
  Destroyer Diamond Badge
  Gatekeeper Diamond Badge
  Scavenger Platinum Badge
  Longinus Diamond Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/50   Experience 125484/16
  ToHit Ranged +12  ToHit Melee +14  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse          (Level 3)
    Hellrunner       (Level 3)
    Reloader         (Level 3)
    Brute            (Level 1)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Shottyman        (Level 1)
    Fireangel        (Level 1)

  Fin->Fin->HR->HR->DM->Rel->Rel->SM->WK->MFa->Jug->Fin->HR->Rel->WK->Bru->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   tactical armor [1/1] (100%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   modified plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [40/40] (A1T1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   tactical boots [1/1] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   Longinus Spear (8d8)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified combat shotgun (8d3) [5/5] (P1)
    [b] chaingun (1d6)x4 [40/40]
    [c] missile launcher (6d6) [4/4]
    [d] BFG 9000 (10d8) [100/100]
    [e] BFG 9000 (10d8) [100/100]
    [f] Railgun (8d8) [40/40]
    [g] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [k] 10mm ammo (x44)
    [l] shotgun shell (x45)
    [m] shotgun shell (x70)
    [n] rocket (x14)
    [o] rocket (x14)
    [p] power cell (x70)
    [q] power cell (x70)
    [r] power cell (x46)
    [s] firestorm weapon pack
    [t] blood skull
    [u] lava element

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    113 former humans
    104 former sergeants
    72 former captains
    164 imps
    121 demons
    540 lost souls
    54 cacodemons
    65 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    22 hell knights
    49 arachnotrons
    32 former commandos
    1 Angel of Death
    56 pain elementals
    20 arch-viles
    10 mancubi
    29 revenants
    4 nightmare imps
    5 nightmare cacodemons
    8 nightmare demons
    2 bruiser brothers
    1 shambler
    1 lava elemental
    1 agony elemental
    1 Arena Master

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 5 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
  He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
  On level 5 he assembled a tactical armor!
  On level 8 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 9 he entered Hell's Armory.
  He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
  On level 12 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 13 he found the Lava Armor!
  On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he encountered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 16 he ran for his life from acid!
  On level 16 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 16 he found the Longinus Spear!
  He then destroyed the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 17 he found the City of Skulls.
  He wiped out the City of Skulls.
  On level 18 he found the Necroarmor!
  On level 20 he entered the Vaults.
  On level 20 he found the Revenant's Launcher!
  He cracked the Vaults and cleared them out!
  On level 22 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  He managed to escape from the Mortuary!
  On level 23 he found the Railgun!
  On level 23 he entered the Lava Pits.
  He managed to clear the Lava Pits completely!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 footsteps...
 You wear/wield : a nuclear BFG 9000 (8d8) [40/40]
 Are you sure you want to overcharge the nuclear BFG 9000? This will
 overload the nuclear reactor... [Y/n] You overcharge the nuclear BFG
 9000! Warning! Explosion in 10 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 9 seconds!
 You wear/wield : a modified plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [40/40] (A1T1) Warning!
 Explosion in 8 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 7 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 6 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 5 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 4 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds! You hear an explosion!
 Congratulations! You defeated the Cyberdemon! Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 87 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 74 of those were killed.


 And 2 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 11 souls claim to have killed him...
 2 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 9 killed the bastard and survived.

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In fact, call me a moron because this SHOULD have been quad Diamond. Usually I time the lava element until the very last second, but due to speed changes in N! the last second was skipped over. Still, Veteran Diamond is more doable than some other ones here, so I'm okay with it.

The only special level I skipped was the Mortuary on account of no Ammochain and no Berserker, which would have left me very little to work with. All the others were cleared up, I imagine a couple weren't counted due to enemies respawning before I left. (Spider's Lair is missing from this run, thank goodness.)

Destroyer Diamond is the most obvious badge-get here, so how about the others?

  • Gatekeeper Diamond was...unexpected. I hadn't realized that I cleared Hellgate without taking damage until the post-mortem, but I guess Firenangel was useful after all. As it turns out, the no-splash almost never came up, between radar-shooting everything, shooting faster than everything, and just about avoiding everything else.
  • Longinus Diamond was this run's primary objective. I captured the video of it and I will make some commentary soonHere's a video of me picking up the Longinus Diamond. I don't want to spoil how I did it JUST yet (so people in the know don't go blabbing), but I think you will be pleasantly amused.

Jumped from 1st Sergeant to Mjr General from this single run, too. Good times, indeed...
« Last Edit: June 04, 2011, 22:40 by Game Hunter »
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 19:28 »

Well done. I find it extra amusing because I'm actually in the middle of trying to get the Longinus Diamond right now in AoMC. Looks like you beat me though :). I have two ideas of how I could achieve it and if you said it was amusing then I'm assuming you probably went with option two. I'm not going to spoil the surprise, but I think this is a hint:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quite the accomplishment on the Gatekeeper diamond too. I wimped out and did it on UV with a napalm launcher and Intx2. Much easier that way. If it's any consolation on the Veteran diamond I've screwed up the lava element the other way, being berserk and popping it too early on the run where I first got the Elite diamond. Such is life.

Edited to correct my math. I should just use a calculator...
« Last Edit: June 04, 2011, 19:36 by AStranger »
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2011, 22:37 »

I have two ideas of how I could achieve it and if you said it was amusing then I'm assuming you probably went with option two.
At least by your options, I went with the first one, which (in my opinion) is far more ridiculous and amusing. Option two is taking advantage of new content, which is clever, but not of the level at which people consider me to be a hardcore player.

Video's in the OP for organizational purposes. I DO mention the other possibility (spoilers for that, but it's past the video skip and there's nothing important after the skip anyway) but I won't here. Needless to say if you watch the videos then you should be prepared to learn some things that would otherwise take a lot of guesswork and experience to figure out.
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2011, 23:00 »

I feel like a dwarf walking among giants here.

* thelaptop stays content with whatever badges he can get his crummy hands on

I'm not that hardcore a player hur hur hur...
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 00:57 »

At least by your options, I went with the first one, which (in my opinion) is far more ridiculous and amusing. Option two is taking advantage of new content, which is clever, but not of the level at which people consider me to be a hardcore player.
Heh, actually I hadn't even thought of doing what you did. I was thinking option one was actually what you mentioned at the end of the video and option two was a slight variation of it. Although watching the video reminded me about the AoD's armor which makes even my edited math still wrong. 13, I think is the correct number.
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 04:58 »

Okay, that was terrible. I tried to copy you, but I came up short in two areas. One I only got two diamonds and not three, the other was I only had a power modded knife without the bulk mod.  I figure you might be able to appreciate what exactly that means... Either way, great idea, even if I couldn't pull it off as well.
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2011, 06:41 »

Astranger, by the time you have Fin 3 HR 2 you might as well just try to double chainsaw him to death. With a firing speed that quick, you can hit him without a reaction then run away if you time it right, and even if you don't you only lose 36% HP.

Or if you really wanted to make sure you got it right, shove T3 on the chainsaw and you're almost certain to get a good rhythm going.
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2011, 07:12 »

Astranger, by the time you have Fin 3 HR 2 you might as well just try to double chainsaw him to death. With a firing speed that quick, you can hit him without a reaction then run away if you time it right, and even if you don't you only lose 36% HP.
I think the RNG was messing with me because I found roughly 6-7 agility mods, 1 tech, 1 power and I had EEx2. I had enough WK had the game given me any mods. I really regretted missing the Hell's Armory because at least I would have been able to pick up a bulk mod or something. I was actually hoping for a skull (not blood) but the closest I came was a shockwave pack.
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2011, 12:00 »

Heh, actually I hadn't even thought of doing what you did. I was thinking option one was actually what you mentioned at the end of the video and option two was a slight variation of it.
Skulls IMO are too rare in the first place to be hoping for (and the only somewhat guaranteed ones show up on the next floor) so I conceived this insane plan as shown in the video. With a T-modded chainsaw (no Thomas, you can't T3 mod it) and Fin(3) you'd have ~0.4sec fire speed, which IS enough to attack him without retaliation...if you time it correctly. Since we only have to worry about the nearest 0.1sec (or 1 turn) then I don't think it's too hard to figure out the timing, but I just didn't want to risk it. Still, double chainsaw would make it take only around 10 hits, as opposed to the 60-some here.

Although watching the video reminded me about the AoD's armor which makes even my edited math still wrong. 13, I think is the correct number.
Wiki says 10 armor and, by the calculation of me counting out the hits, I have confirmed this number. At the start of "almost dead" (for a dude of 500 HP this is ~50 HP) and 18 damage per hit (which, with 10 armor, would be 8 per) I hypothesized the AoD would go down in either six or seven hits, depending on how much the last hit counted for. He went down in six, thus proving my hypothesis. I DO have the entire video if you want to count it out yourself...
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2011, 15:51 »

Wiki says 10 armor and, by the calculation of me counting out the hits, I have confirmed this number. At the start of "almost dead" (for a dude of 500 HP this is ~50 HP) and 18 damage per hit (which, with 10 armor, would be 8 per) I hypothesized the AoD would go down in either six or seven hits, depending on how much the last hit counted for. He went down in six, thus proving my hypothesis. I DO have the entire video if you want to count it out yourself...
I'd agree to that. I did try to count how many throws it took at the start of almost dead, but I was kinda sloppy by that hour, but I came up with roughly 25 hits with 12 damage a hit. The 13 is just a reference to what I think a fire skull would need.
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 20:45 »

The 13 is just a reference to what I think a fire skull would need.
I don't think a fire skull is a viable option. I laid out 16 corpses in a 2x8 formation and used the fire skull when the AoD was standing in the middle. He was 'almost unhurt' after the ordeal. Turns out 7d7 explosion damage isn't as great as I thought it'd be.
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Re: [N!|AoMC|83%|YAVP] Triple Diamond, revisited
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 21:43 »

16 explosions for 7d7 damage would knock AoD down to about half.  Unfortunately, the fire skull can't come even close to this... when the first explosion goes off, it will destroy most of the other corpses before they have a chance to explode.  Probably you only got about 2 explosions.

Edit: And it seems the max carnage rule isn't applied to the fire skull explosions.
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