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Karry

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Strategies
« on: December 04, 2006, 15:05 »

Playing on Ultra-Violence is uber-cool !
However, it seems the only actually useful weapon is double shotgun.
On easier difficulties you can get away with using chaingun, but on Ultra-Violence you cant, coz the amount of monsters is huge, and chaingun only shoots at one monster at a time. Sometimes two. And some shots will miss anyway. Plasma rifle is better, but still only one monster at a time, and cells are RARE !
And double shotgun will kill whole rooms of small fry with one shot, and tougher monsters can be herded together and killed in a pack, all at once. Not only that, it will auto-reload itself just for a small cost of 3 traits (and on Ultra-Violence you will probably get the third trait at the second map !!! and there will still be someone left to kill.)

What is left...BFG, well, i cant quite understand how it works. Once i sent a shot in a big hall full of cacodemons, right in the center, the one in the very center was almost dead, the ones near the walls were wounded, but the ones in between center and the walls were unhurt.

And rocket launcher is a must for when the wall needs demolishing, or sniping someone from a great distance, but not as a main weapon.

Any comments ?
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 16:02 »

Remember that the damage is rolled for each creature seperately!
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2006, 03:16 »

Well...for reaching level 3 on Ultra-Violence the game rewards you with 6 to 8 Hell Knights. And for reaching level 5 - 2 to 4 Barons. Damn its hard. Chaingun works moderately well, but with each level there are more and more enemies, and the chances to ambush a lone Baron are quite low.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2006, 08:01 »

I used chaingun all the game, by the reason of lack of ammo of other types. But, maybe, double shotgun is worth using on this difficultiy, i haven't tried it this time.
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Rocket launcher is great when you have Intuition*3, and there is a large group of tough mosters on the other side of the map, but you don't have enough health to kill them. Just find a place, where they won't reach you fast, and from where you can fire rockets to them directly. Smart ones, that are coming towards you, can be held on distance by RL's knockback. It is also helping to deal with pain elemental, that have spawned lots of lost souls. They can nearly all be killed by one or two rockets.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2006, 09:11 »

Are you trying to say that buying Intuition is actually worthy ?
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2006, 09:23 »

It saved my life many-many times. Just here i had explained it before, why:
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2006, 09:47 »

Yeah, well, it is somewhat useful, but not at 5 level's worth price.
Way too much. For 5 levels i expect it to not only show me the location, but also the exact kind of monster.
And with DooMRL fog of war and goriness its incredibly hard to find out if that red dot just moved or was it just a blood smear on the floor.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2006, 13:05 »

I don't think you actually see blood as red if it's out of your Fog of War area.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2006, 05:17 »

Thats funny, some nut wrote in the wiki that Shottyman isnt useful.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2006, 05:19 »

Thats funny, some nut wrote in the wiki that Shottyman isnt useful.

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Re: Strategies
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2006, 05:56 »

Thats funny, some nut wrote in the wiki that Shottyman isnt useful.
That was Thomas and he didn't wrote that it isn't usefull but that he isn't sure if it's usefull. Anyway added a note that it is usefull :P
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2006, 14:27 »

Okay, it seems that Intuition (3) strategy is very much viable on UV, but its really boring and "undoomish" (God, what a stupid word...).
I mean, sniping everyone from 15 steps away, shooting in the darkness ? Well...
But i cant really imagine winning the game using any other strategy. Looks like its the only possible way, very limiting i'd say.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2006, 15:36 »

But i cant really imagine winning the game using any other strategy. Looks like its the only possible way, very limiting i'd say.
What will you say about AoB or any other melee game?
What about ranged game - i can win it without Intuition on UV. I'm not sure, but i will try. When i will do so, i will post mortem.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2006, 00:10 »

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What will you say about AoB or any other melee game?
Anyone who can reach the Cathedral on UV AoB - is a maniac. Not to mention very much luck dependant.
For a mixed melee game...i dont know.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2006, 04:44 »

Anyone who can reach the Cathedral on UV AoB - is a maniac. Not to mention very much luck dependant.
For a mixed melee game...i dont know.

Agreed. You would be dead a dozen times before reaching the Chained court.
(Perhaps combat knife could be beefed up a little bit? *nudge*)
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2006, 05:42 »

Starting with a knife would already go a long way. More than once have I traveled to the chained court without finding a knife along the way. There isn't even one in the arena...
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2006, 06:15 »

No, reaching the Court is relatively easy. Well, not easy easy, but doable. But getting from Court to Cathedral is pretty much impossible.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2006, 09:32 »

No, reaching the Court is relatively easy. Well, not easy easy, but doable. But getting from Court to Cathedral is pretty much impossible.

I think it's doable with good tactics.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2006, 10:56 »

No, reaching the Court is relatively easy. Well, not easy easy, but doable. But getting from Court to Cathedral is pretty much impossible.

huh?
To me the hardest part of AoB is always reaching the chained court (never managed it on UV so far). After that it's fairly easy and once you reach the Cathedral it's a walk in the park. AoD dies from 4 attacks and Cybie from two and chainsaw + brute(1) + berserk from pack/med = kill AVs with one hit.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2006, 13:08 »

Definitely, getting to Chained Court is the hardest part at higher difficulty levels. You have to sneak, run and when you encounter single demon without any armor or a knife, you have to be *very* lucky to survive. Not to mention former captains.

It's very unbalanced, because with chainsaw it gets much easier and with LS... pure pleasure. There should be some topic analogous to those suggestions making AoM possible ;)
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2006, 02:12 »

Hm... Intuition seems very usefull, i havn't beat the game even once so i think i need to start thinking outside the box for once. ^^
(But i do seriosly need help on this one!)
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2006, 09:29 »

Blade, you're my kind a' (doom)guy! :P

+Intuition -Shotguns is the way I've been keeping it.

I rarely use shotguns, although they've some up-sides: they make the lvl0 of H.diff and up much easier than in the easier difficulties, which is reaaaaly good.
But it seems more often they cause unwanted barrel explosions, near-melee behaviour and so on. Chaingun+SoaB(3)=32.5 avgdmg per trigger, 6.5 per shot, piercing almost any monster armor value at mindmg=4 per shot, with ammo carefuly watched taking out beasties through the late-game.

I've been using Intuition since I'd discovered it, and it makes things a whole lot easier.
Since I almost only use chainguns anyway, I don't really care WHAT I'm shooting at, as long as there's something there. The only problem then is barrels (but that's true anyway), and the occasional surprise wall. Plus, it enables strategic use of levers, like the rare retreat followed by flooding a room with lava, or much more frequently, bringing down the walls for a "fastest route" between the supercharge/invulnerability to the stairs (not to mention sure healing and armor repair).
Certainly, AoMasochism requires the art of universal avoidence and therefore Intuition(3) (but I haven't reached that just yet).
And when it comes to knowing WHAT the red dots are, first of all, keep an ear open, as anything you hit you'll recognize.
Certainly, hellish caves are easy to figure out, as they are filled with only one type at a time, usualy determinable by difficulty, level and of course sounds.
Then, stationary dots are almost always weapon-users - what weapon-user it is is mostly level dependant.
Fast-movers are Lost Souls or Arachnotrons, and only Arachnotrons are harmed by lava (which is usualy wherever they are), and they make very distinct sounds whenever they walk over it. There are also Demons, which make SHITLOADS of noise, and can be handled with a chaingun at two paces.
Slow-movers are Cacodemons, Knights and Barons, who should all be treated the same anyway.
Former foos, (with the possible exception of commandos who should be treated like Knights with valuable belongings) all make alot of noise, are all affected by lava, and all take one trigger of the chaingun, often almost exactly - so there's very little waste involved.
Finally, if the dead are rising, there's an Arch-Vile afoot, and I suggest a rocket-barrage till the dead remain so.

Yeah, it ain't 100% accurate, but with care it's almost so, and it's 100% of the map.
IMHO, that's much better than the 1-space-per-rank, non-X-ray Cateye, which is almost useless in a Maze of Rooms (where Intuition enables for near-perfect isolation of danger-zones for barrel demolition and the such).

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Re: Strategies
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2006, 11:48 »

Blade, you're my kind a' (doom)guy! :P

+Intuition -Shotguns is the way I've been keeping it.

I rarely use shotguns, although they've some up-sides: they make the lvl0 of H.diff and up much easier than in the easier difficulties, which is reaaaaly good.
But it seems more often they cause unwanted barrel explosions, near-melee behaviour and so on. Chaingun+SoaB(3)=32.5 avgdmg per trigger, 6.5 per shot, piercing almost any monster armor value at mindmg=4 per shot, with ammo carefuly watched taking out beasties through the late-game.

I've been using Intuition since I'd discovered it, and it makes things a whole lot easier.
Since I almost only use chainguns anyway, I don't really care WHAT I'm shooting at, as long as there's something there. The only problem then is barrels (but that's true anyway), and the occasional surprise wall. Plus, it enables strategic use of levers, like the rare retreat followed by flooding a room with lava, or much more frequently, bringing down the walls for a "fastest route" between the supercharge/invulnerability to the stairs (not to mention sure healing and armor repair).

One correction. I'm not a man of Intuition and chaingun. I just have not played with shotguns in new version. Belive me, in previous version i used only shotguns and RL during all game. I was counted chaingun and plasma rifle as unaccurate and weak weapons. But when i started first game on new version i found lots of chainguns on dlvl 2, so i decided to advance in this new for me way. And i liked it. Anyway, to break stereotype, especially for you i will play(when i will have time)) a game with shotguns and RL(and BFG), and without any Intuition or Cat's Eye.
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Re: Strategies
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2006, 12:28 »

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Okay, it seems that Intuition (3) strategy is very much viable on UV, but its really boring and "undoomish" (God, what a stupid word...).
I mean, sniping everyone from 15 steps away, shooting in the darkness ? Well...
But i cant really imagine winning the game using any other strategy. Looks like its the only possible way, very limiting i'd say.

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Anyone who can reach the Cathedral on UV AoB - is a maniac. Not to mention very much luck dependant.
For a mixed melee game...i dont know.

Well, obviously Blade came through and proved both cases possible.

Gratz!
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