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The build:
Scout class, with estimated player level on reaching Cathedral of "9". Chosen because they can get "Cateye".
Traits taken:
Definitely "Intuition" levels 1-2, ideally "Finesse" 1-2 and "Whizkid", and three open slots which I usually spend on either "Ironman" or "Dodgemaster". Top-level trait goal is "Cateye", so I can't select traits that prevent that, e.g. "Brute".

My question is, given this build, do I have any hope of being able to beat the Angel without resorting to a tactic (say, invulnerability plus nuke) that won't net me the
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If so, how do I do that? I usually go in with eight large medkits and always the Arena Master's staff and chainsaw (I don't skip any special levels). The first page of my scores screen are all dead to the Angel, so if it requires a specific set of equipment (demon-based items, special armor, etc.), I'm willing to play through, confront him, fight, die, and restart until I get them.

Do I manufacture a bunch of piercing combat knives and just throw them at him? Is it kosher to use the Staff and skull items at all, just on the Lost Souls and Pinkies, or even on the Angel himself?

Please advise, this is driving me buggy.
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Re: Unholy Cathedral vs. this build: can it be done and how
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 09:59 »

Game Hunter has answered this better than I ever could

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_vKQQTVH0

If you are doing this on a non-max carnage game it will take a long time, this level is normally just skipped for non-melee builds

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Re: Unholy Cathedral vs. this build: can it be done and how
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 10:15 »

!!!!

Super neat.

I assume that playing on "normal" (not AoC, Hurt Me Plenty) won't significantly affect this aside from increasing the time it'll take to kill him?

Also, that guy has a nice voice.

Edit: I know. I'd love to skip this but if I don't clear every special level and 100% kill everything on every floor, my victory will be hollow and empty.
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Re: Unholy Cathedral vs. this build: can it be done and how
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 10:29 »

It's the same but the AoD only has 340 hp on HMP and you will not be able to one hit the souls, just remember that it's all about speed.
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Re: Unholy Cathedral vs. this build: can it be done and how
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 12:48 »

The strategy I explained in the video is still the same as it ever was. With 0994, however, I would build myself a piercing knife (and B-mod it if I got WK(2)) instead of BP-modding a normal one: you'll end up dealing a lot more damage that way. AoMC makes things faster, but the piercing assembly alone should really cut down on time spent. Combat aside, make sure you have the speed to outpace the guy. A full set of tactical armor used to do it before, but the newer version nerfed their movespeed bonuses, so you'll want HR(2) on top of that (A-modding wouldn't hurt either).

In terms of rare items to get, both the ballistic shield and Shielded Armor will get the job done, granting you 95% resistance to melee. I actually showed this off in a later video, as luck would have it.

...without resorting to a tactic (say, invulnerability plus nuke) that won't net me the AS?
So nuking doesn't let you get AS? That's a little surprising, since I'm pretty sure nuke/invuln gets you LS without worrying about the extra conditions. Have you actually tried this, or is just a guess on your part?

I admire your ambition for a complete and total victory, it's been while since I did one of those runs. (Elite Platinum is still one of my favorite badges to get.) Also, welcome to the forums!
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Re: Unholy Cathedral vs. this build: can it be done and how
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 15:23 »

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So nuking doesn't let you get AS?

Well, essentially. I got an invul. boost, went down, and used the Angel Arm alt. reload. I had cleaned out everything up until that point, but I only got the LS. Maybe an actual nuke does something different, but I heard that you can only use melee to get the AS. That's why I wondered about using the Arena Master's Staff or shockwave packs. Just a few minutes ago, I gave myself a wristache getting it down to ~60% HP and then goofed up by walking through the lava.

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I admire your ambition for a complete and total victory.
My actual goal is to get all 25 diamond badges and see what the reward there is. I imagine this'll be even more of an ordeal when I start dealing with "Nightmare!" time limits and using only pistols and stuff. Oh well.

Also if I were better at math I'd try and figure out if a person could take out the Angel by somehow looping and running around those columns in the second part of the cathedral instead of going all the way outside.

Thanks for the video, by the way.
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Re: Unholy Cathedral vs. this build: can it be done and how
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 08:51 »

I took out the Angel without Brute using a very fast movespeed and attack speed.  I stood 2 tiles away and waited, if he took one step I'd get two tiles away again and keep trying.  But if he took 2 steps I could usually attack and move away before he got to act again.  This was AoMC with a ripper so it didn't take very long :), but a piercing chainsaw will do OK also.  Make sure you have some medpacks for mistakes.
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