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[N!] Any suggestions?
« on: December 15, 2006, 17:57 »

I want to post here my archievements in Nightmare! and i can say that even i'm confused and don't know, how to deal with this.
I think that the best chance to beat Nightmare! is to play it on AoH, because surviving 12 levels there is extremely hard, but surviving 24 levels there is (extremely hard) * 2. So i had thinking from this point.
First:
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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.5) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Blade, level 10 Demon Captain, killed by a imp(*)
 on level 6 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 47937 turns and scored 168528 points.
 He opposed the Nightmare!

 He killed 733 out of 803 hellspawn. (91%)
 He held his right to remain violent.
 He was an Angel of Haste!


-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -2/70   Experience 40483/10
  ToHit +9  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman        (Level 2)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 3)
    Cateye         (Level 2)
    Intuition      (Level 3)

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   nothing
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] pistol (2d4) [0/6]
    [b] 10mm ammo (x60)
    [c] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [d] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [g] shotgun shell

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    316 former humans
    59 former sergeants
    28 former captains
    317 demons(**)
    1 lost soul
    1 baron of hell

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

 On level 2 he battled through the complex.
 On level 4 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 6 he battled through the complex.
 There he finally was killed by a imp.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 24 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 18 of those were killed.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 6 souls claim to have killed him...
 4 killed the bastard and survived.
 2 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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 Blade                      Armor : none                     Phobos Base  Lev2
 Health: 54%  Exp: 10/0%    Weapon: chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50]
 coward

(*)All my 10 levels i archieved on level 2(starting level in AoH) by killing one demon 317 times(**).
You can see him on the picture in the middle. All this weapons - are from 2 ressurecting former humans, and all this blood are from the demon.))
My first strategy was archieving as high level, as i can get by killing easy monsters, that are ressurecting. And i think that it is quite nice strategy, but it has opposite side - it is too long and boring to kill one demon and two former humans. What killed me? Bad luck. On level 4 i runt through stairs, that are just was next to me. But on level 6 i realized myself in a room, where after several turns all monsters from all over the map headed. So soon i found myself not alone in this room, but with company of 2 BoHs, 1 Pain Elemental and a lots of little creatures(demons, imps). 2 medikits haven't saved me.

Second:
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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.5) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Blade, level 3 Demon Captain, killed by a arch-vile
 on level 10 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 4975 turns and scored 17860 points.
 He opposed the Nightmare!

 He killed 49 out of 187 hellspawn. (26%)
 Who gave him the ticket to hell, anyway?
 He was an Angel of Haste!

 He stormed the Chained Court.

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -2/50   Experience 3052/3
  ToHit +6  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Eagle Eye      (Level 2)
    Brute          (Level 1)

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   chainsaw (4d6)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   steel boots [2/2] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] pistol (2d4) [6/6]
    [b] chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50]
    [c] 10mm ammo (x28)
    [d] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [e] shotgun shell (x17)
    [f] rocket (x10)
    [g] rocket (x2)

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    10 former humans
    7 former sergeants
    5 former captains
    5 imps
    4 demons
    2 lost souls
    3 cacodemons
    1 pain elemental
    2 arch-viles

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

 On level 2 he battled through the complex.
 On level 4 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 6 he found a hellish city.
 He then stormed the Chained Court.
 On level 8 he found a hellish city.
 On level 10 he battled through the complex.
 There he finally was killed by a arch-vile.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 25 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 19 of those were killed.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 6 souls claim to have killed him...
 4 killed the bastard and survived.
 2 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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Second strategy was just to run for luck. This tactic can be successfull, if you will be luck enough to find  RL, some large medikits(or just one thermie)) to fight Cybie, and you will survive 12 levels. I can be successfull, if on level 10 there won't be 3 AVs on every side(I haven't noticed, but imho they are ressurecting too. OMG!!).

Some specialities of Nightmare! are here,at the bottom of the page.

So, post here any suggestions, how to make it. I know, that there are only few people on this forum, who can play Nightmare!, but just write your ideas and thoughts, and i will say, how possible are they.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 18:06 »

One thing that comes to my mind - try taking Tough as Nails. This trait can make more diffrence than Ironman IMO.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 18:11 »

Sorry for too many urls, but read this. I was written this on UV, and on Nightmare! on level 4 you will hardly find even human sergeant, generally there are HKs, Cacodemons and BoHs. So imho reducing their damage by 3 points isn't good idea. But i can try it.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 18:15 »

I want to post here my archievements in Nightmare! and i can say that even i'm confused and don't know, how to deal with this.
FINALLY!! My prayers have been answered :p

Well, the only thing that comes to my mind is dropping the whole Intuition thing. The enemies respawn anyway so sniping from a safe distance won't help. You should go all out defense wise. IIRC meds on Nightmare! work double like they do on ITYTD so maxing Ironman asap and adding some Tan to it would be my best guess. After that... dunno. One look at your kill count makes reloader look like a good choice :p

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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 18:21 »

Second man is telling me to raise TaN. Maybe this will help a little. What are you thinking about max Helrunner to run through levels?

[Edit] And one more - there are very few powerups and medikits placed on levels.(( So every hp is vital.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2006, 05:30 »

Because of the high damage output of enemies, I think Hellrunner after IM is at least worth a try. You might try to get LS (well, as I don't know how fast the monsters resurrect on N! (have to still complete Impatience, too much time spent on AoM), I don't know if it's possible to get past that demon room, maybe with a phase device?).

Also, plasma for BFG shouldn't be a problem since you could get unlimited plasma from a commando (well, only if there are no other monster resurrecting near by).

Pain elementals didn't leave corpses, right? If true, you should probably get the 2 BFGs from City of Skulls, though there will probably be a shitload of pain elementals, but you can kill them in building other then those two containing BFGs with missiles (yeah, I know this is quite scummy, but we are talking about N!)
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2006, 05:54 »

well, as I don't know how fast the monsters resurrect on N!
After some time of player's existance on level they begin to ressurect nearly instantly.

Pain elementals didn't leave corpses, right?
No, they leave corpses and ressurects as well... And AVs too...:-/

I think that almost all special levels are so hard on Nightmare!(except CC, and Unholy Cathedral) that they are not worth be entered.

I don't know if it's possible to get past that demon room, maybe with a phase device?
Is there are any way of controlled use of phase device?
Anyway, i think, that if you will make it that far with Brute and Berserk perks, then you will be able to run through room with demons in Berserk mode, and even kill AoD.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2006, 06:06 »

On a different note: Do enemies that have been killed by a nuke also leave behind corpses that resurrect?
I know that nukes are not common but maybe they are worth being used on normal levels on N! since the monster resurrection on N! does not make Cybie harder.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2006, 06:07 »

I don't know if it's possible to get past that demon room, maybe with a phase device?
Is there are any way of controlled use of phase device?
Anyway, i think, that if you will make it that far with Brute and Berserk perks, then you will be able to run through room with demons in Berserk mode, and even kill AoD.

Well, I've heard of using phase device at UC twice, and both times the marine was teleported next to AoD, so it might just be a coincidence, but I've come to think that it might not be. Requires additional testing, though.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2006, 06:18 »

I had already thought about playing Nightmare in melee. Just to run to CC, and then to UC. But after realizing, how many monstres are there, i gave up such idea.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2006, 13:20 »

Have you tried Nightmare! on Angel of Darkness [AoDr] challenge? I imagine that must be real creepy! :-)
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2006, 13:27 »

Have you tried Nightmare!(tm)) at all? It is real creepy itself!))
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2006, 15:01 »

My new Ultimate Nightmare! Strategy (tm): Pull levers!

There is a lever here.
You pull the lever... You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the
scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear
the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear
the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You
hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You
hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul!
You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul!
You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed
soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed
soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a
freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a
freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream
of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream
of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the
scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the
scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear
the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear
the rumbling of stone! There is a lever here.
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2006, 15:09 »

Another side of this strategy:
Code: [Select]
There is a lever here.
You pull the lever... Floor floods with acid! Arrgh! Acid! Arrgh! Acid!
Arrgh! Acid! Arrgh! Acid! You hear the scream of a freed soul! Arrgh!
Acid! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a
freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream
of a freed soul! Arrgh! Acid! Arrgh! Acid! You hear the scream of a
freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream
of a freed soul! Arrgh! Acid! You die!
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Re: [N!] Any suggestions?
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2006, 15:11 »

lmao :D
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