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The Rocket Launcher.

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Ander Hammer:
You usually get one for free from Hell's Arena. They show up relatively early. They're used for breaking walls, and occasionally the corpses near the walls, and occasionally the Arena Master.

You do the Wall right, you dump the Rocket Launcher. You get your master trait, half the time you dump the Rocket Launcher. Even its assemblies, useful as they are, feel the sting of not under-use, but under-utilization.

Why? Because they don't behave how rocket launchers should when in the hands of a trained marine.

Here's a list of possible tweaks! Not all of them necessarily have to go in, or are necessarily good ideas, or will necessarily not irreparably break the game, but they're things to think about.

- If an enemy or black space is targeted, it behaves as normal.
- If a (visible) floor is targeted, roll to hit the tile in the crosshairs.
Failure hits an adjacent square. Super-failure can perhaps take it further than adjacent.
Maybe give it rocket-jumping stats, since it's not a direct hit: half damage, maybe lots of knockback.
- Lower base accuracy.
Someone without a keen eye can hardly be expected to hit the right square with such a heavy weapon.
- Halve damage dealt to self from splash all the time, like from rocket jumping.
Allows better use in melee, but not nearly as good as mFA.
- Reduce damage dealt to (certain?) items on the ground. Flesh melts more easily than steel.
The reason rocket launchers are never primary weapons is partly because of this.
- Revenant's Launcher: becomes essentially an s-modded Rocket Launcher with big dice and a tiny blast radius.
Alternatively, make it a weaker exotic with an added low drop rate from (non-rezzed) Revenants? That'd be sorta cool.
- Missile Launcher: almost always hits a targeted monster, but can't lock-on to walls or floors.
Possibly explodes if it travels too far (misses), at least clipping the target with the blast?
- Start brainstorming master traits that do well with rocketeer builds. Fireangel for the melee rocketeer! Pyromaniac, whose distance damage drop-off is improved! Rocket Whore, who can carry 3x the rockets! Or cram 3x the rockets into their launchers, or shoot three rockets for each trigger pull, or reload their launchers in a third of the time, or make them never miss or whatever. Or the dreaded mMB: Master trait Michael Bay, whose rockets get BFG-like splash (and whose BFG splashes are all absolutely ludicrous).

I was thinking about how useful rocket jumping is, and how silly it is that you can't utilize the same basic idea, except not aiming directly at your feet.

I was also thinking about Hell and its seventeen million rockets (and Revenant's Launchers), all of which will get left behind by my marines with bottomless plasma rifles.

I was also thinking about how awesome rocket launchers are, for serious you guys, they're explosions you shoot like from a gun.

Creaphis:
It is weird that rocket launchers get left behind more often than pistols in the late game. They're rocket launchers! I like the idea of extending the rocket jump alt fire to be able to hit any visible square. "Rocketeer" master traits would be awesome. Also, I'm not sure that item destruction, while "realistic," really contributes much to gameplay. If exotics and sphere powerups at least were immune to splash damage then I think most players would feel more comfortable chucking rockets around. Also, it doesn't make sense that red armours that can take tons of abuse on your body will get shredded by one explosion on the ground.

spacedust:
I agree. RLs are cool, and were one of the best parts of deathmatching. I mean, can anybody who has DMed seriously in any of the Quake games not think that RLs are integral to the experience? Even in Doom, RLs were really, really good. It is rather a shame to see them not used much for fear of blowing good stuff up, or simply because no master trait supports them. Ander Hammer's suggestions are really quite good. I like the ability to target a blank tile. It would make N! a lot easier, but splash damage is essential to getting that RL feel. How many times have you played Quake and ended up bouncing some poor derp around with rockets at his feet? That's all due to splash damage. Maybe it's not too Doomish (after all Doom was 2D), but surely we can explore this direction a little more. I like not making it as accurate too. It gives it a different feeling to the other weapons - makes it sort of more splashy, if you know what I mean.

Changes to exotics - really, now, I want to address the issue of the Missile Launcher. I don't think it should be the reward for the wall. It does seem kind of overkill to 'upgrade' the RL within the first episode. Maybe, just put 3 bulk mods there, and give the player the choice of upgrading the RL to its assembled brother? Or something like that?

I like the idea of making rocket master traits, or master traits that reference rockets. 3 rockets per shot should be pretty OP, but think about the mess... I had sudden flashbacks of running around in UT while charging rockets, and then seeing some poor sod just when the sixth rocket was charged - oh good times.

And RLs are cool. How can they not be? I often lug the one from Hells Arena around just so I can use it at the Phobos Anomaly to shoot the Bruiser bros - they go down really quickly, and never really get a chance to get into sight. I love shooting rockets and hearing that 't-whoop' sound from Doom. It never gets old.

ParaSait:
How about a master trait that prevents items from getting wasted on rocket impact?

Matt_S:
I really don't want the behavior of the rocket launcher to depend on whether I target an unseen square, a floor tile, or an enemy.  Any change belongs on alt-fire.

On traits: since the introduction of classes, there has been an empty space at the bottom of the trait screen.  This has always bugged me.  I endorse splash damage master traits.  And fireangel belongs as a splash damage master trait, not a shotgun one.  That's also bugged me.

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