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[U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« on: March 26, 2012, 17:14 »

I've read that shotgun builds are supposed to be hard, since the supply of shells in hell is a touch low, so this game felt way too easy. The only thing that almost killed me was overconfidence. I got a bit closer to death than I should have a couple of times just by running and gunning without watching my health. The mastermind also almost did me in - I was pretty sure going into the fight that it deals bullet damage - but the only reason it was able to hit me at all is because I just stood out in the open while raining damage on it. It's just pretty hard to feel threatened when your action speeds are all hovering around 0.20 seconds.

It helps that I wasn't depending solely on shells to do damage - I was making full use of all the rockets and cells I found (most of the latter got funnelled back out through a plasma shotgun). It also helps that the requirement traits for Shottyhead are all extremely useful in general. Juggler, finesse, reloader and hellrunner all serve to keep you alive. As a point of contrast, I've also been attempting sharpshooter builds lately. Eagle eye is significantly less important after the first point you put into it, and son of a gun is useless without a good pistol. This being the case, none of my sharpshooters have lived long enough to earn the master.

Back to the mortem: I skipped the Cathedral as I didn't bother to invest in brute, and I skipped the lava pits as no envirosuits were ever generated and I didn't feel like wading through lava without one. Also, I have no idea where I missed that one kill.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Crumbs, level 15 Demon Sergeant Major Scout,
 defeated the Mastermind on level 8 of Hell.
 He survived 93131 turns and scored 339689 points.
 He played for 4 hours, 44 minutes and 44 seconds.
 He was a man of Ultra-Violence!

 He killed 1063 out of 1064 hellspawn. (99%)
 A natural born killer!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 9
  Levels completed : 9

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (gold cluster)
  Grim Reaper's Badge
  Hell Champion Medal
  Hell Armorer Badge
  UAC Gold Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 36/50   Experience 107768/15
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Scout

    Finesse          (Level 3)
    Hellrunner       (Level 3)
    Reloader         (Level 2)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Intuition        (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Shottyman        (Level 1)
    Shottyhead       (Level 1)

  Fin->Jug->Rel->Rel->SM->Fin->WK->WK->HR->MSh->HR->DM->HR->Fin->Int->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   duelist armor [2/4] (39%) (ABP)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   BFG 9000 (10d8) [60/220] (B3)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   antigrav acid-proof boots [0/0] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   plasma shotgun (9d3) [24/30] (P2T2)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] tactical shotgun (8d3) [5/5] (T1)
    [b] hyperblaster (2d4)x3 [40/40] (S1)
    [c] missile launcher (6d6) [4/4] (T3)
    [d] nuclear BFG 9000 (8d8) [88/88] (B3)
    [e] energy shield [0/0] (93%)
    [f] shotgun shell (x70)
    [g] shotgun shell (x16)
    [h] rocket (x14)
    [i] rocket (x10)
    [j] power cell (x70)
    [k] power cell
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] thermonuclear bomb
    [o] bulk mod pack
    [p] shell box (x100)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Bullet     - internal 0%    torso 25%   feet 0%   
    Melee      - internal 0%    torso 25%   feet 0%   
    Shrapnel   - internal 0%    torso 25%   feet 0%   
    Acid       - internal 0%    torso 0%    feet 100%

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    74 former humans
    60 former sergeants
    47 former captains
    125 imps
    74 demons
    349 lost souls
    51 cacodemons
    24 hell knights
    58 barons of hell
    46 arachnotrons
    28 former commandos
    31 pain elementals
    22 revenants
    33 mancubi
    34 arch-viles
    2 bruiser brothers
    1 shambler
    1 agony elemental
    1 Cyberdemon
    1 Spider Mastermind
    1 Arena Master

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
  He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
  On level 4 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
  On level 7 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  On level 9 he assembled a fireproof armor!
  On level 9 he assembled a tactical shotgun!
  On level 9 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
  On level 10 he assembled a hyperblaster!
  He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
  On level 12 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 13 he found the City of Skulls.
  He wiped out the City of Skulls.
  On level 14 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
  He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
  On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
  On level 18 he entered the Vaults.
  He cracked the Vaults and cleared them out!
  On level 20 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  On level 20 he found the Angelic Armor!
  He managed to clear the Mortuary from evil!
  On level 23 he stumbled into complex full of mancubi!
  On level 23 he assembled a antigrav boots!
  Then at last he found Dis!
  On level 24 he finally defeated the Mastermind.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed. You are hit! You are hit!
 You are hit! Your duelist armor is damaged! Boom!
 Boom! Boom!
 You reload the BFG 9000.
 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed.
 You see : a Spider Mastermind (severely wounded) | floor | [ m ]ore
 You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit!
 You see : a Spider Mastermind (severely wounded) | blood | [ m ]ore
 The missile hits the Spider Mastermind.
 You see : a Spider Mastermind (mortally wounded) | floor | [ m ]ore
 The missile hits the Spider Mastermind.
 You see : a Spider Mastermind (almost dead) | blood | [ m ]ore
 The missile hits the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind dies.
 Congratulations! You defeated the Spider Mastermind! Press <Enter>...
 You feel relatively safe now.
 You reload the tactical shotgun.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 134 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 129 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.

 3 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 3 killed the bitch and survived.

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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 17:42 »

Much more impressive than my recent run, congratulations on your win!   Looks like you had a lot of random stuff scattered about, I can never find more than usually 2 or 3 Special weaponry.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 18:16 »

Thanks! And kudos on your challenge wins.

I found such a ludicrous number of exotic weapons I actually started to feel bad for leaving them behind. It's like the game was politely trying to offer me gifts and I had to keep saying, "Thanks, but I can only hold so many things in my backpack, I hope you can understand."

Let's see. Besides what I kept to the end of the game, and besides guaranteed drops, there was:
- the Grammaton Cleric Beretta
- an assault shotgun and two supers (these showed up too late to be really useful)
- two miniguns
- tristar blaster
- acid spitter
- a spare duelist armor
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 20:53 »

I'm fairly sure that the Mastermind does Plasma damage. With Duelist Armor, your best bet is to bait her to melee and put that 50% melee resist to work.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 03:32 »

Eagle eye is significantly less important after the first point you put into it, and son of a gun is useless without a good pistol.
I agree about EE, but SoG is good even with basic Pistol. Moreover, it is SoG that makes the game acceptable.
Try to play AoMr without SoG and you will see :P .
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 05:03 »

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  On level 9 he assembled a fireproof armor!
  On level 9 he assembled a tactical shotgun!
  On level 9 he assembled a tactical boots!


That's....2 A mods, 2 T mods, and a P and B mods.

That's a lot of mods... =P
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 09:08 »

Yeah, I was also finding so many mods that I was literally using weapons as dumping grounds for them. I even ended up dropping that fireproof armor and those tactical boots later on when I got enough mods and gear to replace them. Maybe it's luck rather than skill that got me through this game.

I think my problem with sharpshooter builds is that I actually leave putting points in SoG until I've already bought the rest of the traits I need. I suppose most people get SoG and use the pistol right away. I'm just not convinced that a pistol, even with SoG level 3, is better than that first chaingun.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 09:15 »

I think my problem with sharpshooter builds is that I actually leave putting points in SoG until I've already bought the rest of the traits I need. I suppose most people get SoG and use the pistol right away. I'm just not convinced that a pistol, even with SoG level 3, is better than that first chaingun.

I usually use shotgun until I get sharpshooter, though a chaingun is probably a good choice with EE. I'm not very good at using chainfiring weapons, though. Must be the lack of Angel of Chingunnery which would teach me to value them and use them.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 10:06 »

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I usually use shotgun until I get sharpshooter, though a chaingun is probably a good choice with EE. I'm not very good at using chainfiring weapons, though. Must be the lack of Angel of Chingunnery which would teach me to value them and use them.
It is the other way: basic chaingun needs EE (or two), otherwise you won't hit anything, unless it is at a point blank range.

AoMC is a good challenge for learning basics about chainfire.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2012, 10:46 »

I usually use shotgun until I get sharpshooter, though a chaingun is probably a good choice with EE. I'm not very good at using chainfiring weapons, though. Must be the lack of Angel of Chingunnery which would teach me to value them and use them.

AoMC is pretty much Angel of Chaingunnery. Sure, you could use other weapons, but the +12 accuracy and rolling max damage every single time really shine for rapidfire builds, making them proportionally much stronger.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2012, 10:53 »

Yeah, I know that, and I've already finished AoMC UV.

It didn't stick with me though. I should really train with chinguns a little more once I'm done with playing AoHu.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2012, 13:55 »

Then try AoLT. Ammochain Master Trait is a really good choice there.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 14:05 »

Hmm.. I passed that with a melee build. I'll just try a standard MAC game. I'll get a hang of it eventually.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 15:33 »

MAC (and shottyhead) games are good for training you to play without EE, if nothing else. You'll probably have to pass up the burst cannon for something more accurate.
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Re: [U|99%|YAVP] Shotgun shells shmotgun shmells
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2012, 03:55 »

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