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[Potman]

If you can break them apart, you should also know how to build them to begin with, right? Take a bunch of ammo, then build them together into a pack that takes less space and is easier to use, that really shouldn't be too hard. Something a technician could know how to do, no?

Maybe add it as a secondary feature to Scavenger.

[Kg]

It's a good idea. But I would say that it should be avaiable to all classes, but maybe with penalty, so you lose 50% ammo used in the process.
And maybe it should require one point in Whizzkid and Technician's penalty would be 25% instead of 50%.
So to make 100 shell box, you would use 150 and Technician 125.

Or.... maybe bulk mod added to full stack wouldn't be so bad? Maybe with Whizz 2 or something.

[Kornel Kisielewicz]

That would be soooo OP...

[Creepy]

Yeah, there wouldn't be much incentive to NOT build a billion ammo boxes. Even if I was losing some ammo to do it. Super-speed reloading is useful enough that I'd be more than happy to lose a little to build boxes.

[Potman]

Take a level in Whizkid, two full ammo stacks, and a bulk mod pack. The last ones, I believe, don't grow enough on trees to make it genuinely overpowered.

[Pricklyman]

I rarely use ammo boxes.

I like the idea about using a bulk mod to make it...that's not bad.

Maybe a bulk to make it AND lose say...10% of ammo involved? That would be a steep cost...maybe 20%.

[Creaphis]

Who in the first place decided ammo boxes should cut reload time by 80%? Fifty percent or even just 25% would already be pretty major advantages. Anyways, shell boxes are a helpful boost when you find them in the early game and I like it that way. They're special. If building your own ammo boxes from early ammo stacks just became "routine" then I think they'd lose part of their appeal.

For the record, I never understood the purpose of ammo boxes until I came across some relevant posts in this forum. When equipping an ammo box in the prep slot, can the reload time shown in the character information screen be updated properly?

[Sanctus]

Whats about making other boxes, not a fastern variants, but just 2.5 (or 2) times sized stacks (without loading bonuses)?

Add this feature to some useless perks of each class, or 3rd level, or else.

[thelaptop]

I think that should we want to incorporate the creation of such ammo boxes, Bulk + Tech mods are both necessary, together with a mandatory loss of some amounts of the underlying ammunition and a 10.0s (100-turn) time to create, possibly offset by Fin traits.  The chief advantages of the ammo boxes are faster reload time and a generally larger stash of ammunition compared to the stack size in the inventory.  These two advantages give weapons paired with the appropriate ammo boxes a ridiculous increase in DPS.

I think that an appropriate sunk cost in creating such ammo boxes would be adequately justified.

[Sanctus]

But what about making just a larger stacks, without bonus reload speed?

Consuming 3 stacks of ammo to produce one double-sized. Or 2 stacks with Bulk mod.

[thelaptop]

But what about making just a larger stacks, without bonus reload speed?

Consuming 3 stacks of ammo to produce one double-sized. Or 2 stacks with Bulk mod.

Engine mechanics aside, this makes even less sense than assembling the ammo box.  Don't forget that for the inventory item list, even the Backpack power-up only increases each stack by 40%.  Using 3 stacks of ammo to produce one double-stack is a horrendous waste of ammunition with little to no benefit -- unless you are playing AoLT (I forgot -- does this exist any more?), there is hardly a problem of not carrying enough ammunition.

[Sanctus]

What about 500 10mm ammos just to clear level with Gatling\Minigun and so?