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[Obscillesk]

Hah, the bad experience one is more about how far you can get before you die.  Perhaps have a second class of modes that are along those lines, only they'd be Demons, like Demon of Bad Experience.

I like the explosions idea, maybe add explosions to all projectiles (bullets become as imp fireballs)

continuing on the demon idea:

Demon of Distraction: randomly, the game advances 1-3 turns ahead, while you stand around comatose

Demon of Travel: randomly, you teleport somewhere on the level

Demon of Annihilation: all shots are one hit kills for you and demons alike (hahah yeah right!)

[JimmyJ]

Oooooh, those are good Demons! And, I like the demon idea!

[Malek Deneith]

Quoting: Obscillesk

Demon of Annihilation: all shots are one hit kills for you and demons alike (hahah yeah right!)

Heh ... this would make Hellrunner top-valued trait >>

[Obscillesk]

Heh, that and eagle eye, be a shame to miss your opening shot just to get nailed in return :)

[Mihilist]

Quoting: Obscillesk

Hah, the bad experience one is more about how far you can get before you die.

I don't think so.

When was the last time you had less than 50% of Health in higher levels? 50% without Ironmean means 25 points. so if every "bad" level of Ironman would decrease max by 5 points there qould be 10 points (of 35) left. Time for a halth pack or globe - but I think there are more than enough in higher levels - with a bit luck ;o)

So, I think it would be f***ing hard, but not impossible at all (I think Kornel said that the game would be winnable with no traits - than you can try it a bit harder - that's why I had the idea ;o) )

[Obscillesk]

Interesting, guess we'll see what's what if it gets imped yeah?
Cool idea either way :)

[Ultimate Carl]

I like the idea, but you might have to put some limiters on it.  I mean, wont everyone just dump their points into Son of a Gun and whatever it is that buff your melee damage?  Unless melee gets fixed.  But, hey, I suppose you'd still be playing through the game with no traits, and that's hard enough.  Ah well.

[LAN fan]

Or people would just skip killing the monsters so they don't gain so many levels.  Helps conserve ammo, too.  The people who do beat it would have a 25% kill rate.

After all, the main incentive for a high kill rate now is the prospect of gaining traits.

[Turgor]

Quoting: LAN fan

After all, the main incentive for a high kill rate now is the prospect of gaining traits.

nah, man, i do it for the message "This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!"

Anyway, the demon challenges idea is great.. especially coupled with the ranking system.. the highest ranks are only accessible if you complete the demon challenges or something like that?

[Obscillesk]

Thanks for the feedback on the Demons, anyone got some debilitating but fun ideas to increase the numbers?  I just came up with those right off to support it

[JimmyJ]

Demon of bad eyes. Makes the view like when invencible exept NOT invencible, just the view!  Also, instead of letting the player pick what demon he/she gets, it is picked random!

[Turgor]

Demon of bad eyes is a nice plan, but i propose we name it Demon of pink eye ;)

[JimmyJ]

That'd work out well (i got pink eye once, verry itchey)

[Vin]

Demon of the Weak-Minded!

Each dungeon level the horrors of hell twist you, randomizing your traits(potentially even to bad ones!) Maybe just a % chance based on the dlvl?
You could remove level traits entirely for this one, and just base the number of traits on the dungeon level and random chance, with more traits(good and bad) showing up deeper in.

[JimmyJ]

Hmmm, i like that. I have another idea, Demon of bad memory, where you can only see the level area that you are in, you cannot see grayed out areas that you are not in.