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Adral:
With 0.9.8.5, it seems to be a generalized opinion that Intuition is the best trait out there, and that once you have it the game is much easier due to your "1337 sn1pin' skillz", and Cateye, the cheaty trait from previous version, doesn't do anything good. The only downside people find for Intuition is that it uses 5 traits to get it at full power... but I still don't think that is balanced, since EE is a nice trait and the other Intuition levels still do something useful, like letting you know what a certain switch do (which can be a lifesaver). Moreover, if going IDDQD costed 7 traits, I still wouldn't think of that as "balanced":P.

I'd like to do a proposal to correct that issue. What I was thinking is make the to-hit chance diminish outside LOS quickly with distance. That way, if you want to snipe, you are better off with Cateye, as you see farther and your LOS would be greater, but if what you want to know is what's in this level, you get Intuition, but not as a cheap

- OMG I SENSE THERE MUST BE A MONSTER 3 MILES ON THAT DIRECTION
Spoiler (click to show/hide)Yeah, he's SENSING a monster, not seeing it.* DoomGuy shoots his Plasma Rifle
- LAWL I KILLED THAT ARACHNOTRON NOT EVEN KNOWING IT WAS ONE AND NOT EVEN FAILING A SINGLE SHOT I R 1337 :D

Perhaps, to make Intuition regain part of its potential, it should be reduced to a 2-level trait that did the same that does now. Perhaps even a 1 level trait.

Aside from balance, come on... if the monster is outside Line Of Sight, how can you shoot it with the same precision as if he is point blank? It just strikes me as ridiculous. Cateye makes more sense, since you are actually seeing the monster. You see farther -> you can aim better farther.

I think it's a good solution, what do you think?

Blade:
CatEye will be much useless when monsters will react if you are attacking them out of their LoS. And i think that new AI will be added to next version. So maybe make CatEye increase LoS by 2 points per level(not sure about it)?
Anyway, diminishing of hit chance out of LoS is quite not bad idea. Not VERY fast, so you will still have a chance to hit monster 1 or 2 squares out of your LoS, but fast enough to make this chance not so big.

Adral:

--- Quote from: Blade on January 06, 2007, 03:15 ---Anyway, diminishing of hit chance out of LoS is quite not bad idea. Not VERY fast, so you will still have a chance to hit monster 1 or 2 squares out of your LoS, but fast enough to make this chance not so big.

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Exactly, Blade, that is what I was thinking.

It makes sense that if it's just outside your LOS (ie. by 1 or 2 squares, as you mentioned) you can still shot by "hearing" or whatever, but it's ridiculous hitting someone who is 30000 miles away with the same chance.

Valkeera:
I agree that one way how to make Cateye more useful would be to increase the LOS considerably. Other ways of improvement would be to move it back to basic traits, or allow it to spot barrels and items in a certain radius larger than LOS.

BTW, perhaps the Intuition should be limited to a certain radius as well, instead of the entire level.

Adral:

--- Quote from: Valkeera on January 06, 2007, 03:35 ---I agree that one way how to make Cateye more useful would be to increase the LOS considerably. Other ways of improvement would be to move it back to basic traits, or allow it to spot barrels and items in a certain radius larger than LOS.

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I agree, moving it back to basic trait might do the trick.

But maybe better than what you suggested might be improving the LOS like it does now but being able to spot monsters (as they are bigger than items lying on the ground) 1 square off you current LOS, where you would still hit almost with the same to-hit as inside LOS.

I'll try to explain myself a bit better, just in case: 1 level of Cateye grants you 1 LOS (so you see more of the level) and also 1 square just outside LOS you spot monsters. The explanation might be that you just barely see the silhouette of the monster (as your sight has improved), but not the details on the ground.


--- Quote from: Valkeera on January 06, 2007, 03:35 ---BTW, perhaps the Intuition should be limited to a certain radius as well, instead of the entire level.

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In my opinion it's much better to mess with the to-hit chance. That way Intuition is good for what it is: knowing what's on the level. And Cateye would be good for another thing too: being able to shoot better farther.

Also, the game world would be more consistent, I think.

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