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[H|100%|YAAM] Strongman diamond! *sees mortem* FFFFFFFFFFFF
Tormuse:
--- Quote from: yaflhdztioxo on March 30, 2013, 15:28 ---Unless it's been changed recently whenever a being dies--regardless of how--the kill is credited to whatever weapon you have equipped at the time. So if you punch something to death while you have a pistol equipped (or nuke one) then you can kiss the badge goodbye. It may not be fair but it's not a trivial change.
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This was certainly true for previous versions, but not for this one. I've played games in this version where I killed things with my fists while wielding a pistol and still got the Sunrise Iron Fist medal. My understanding is that, for this version, Kornel changed it so that it only credits the kill to the weapon in your hand if something dies in the same turn that you fired the weapon. This means that, for example, if you happen to fire your Rocket Launcher at a wall at the same time that a Demon wanders into lava at the opposite end of the map, it credits the Demon's death to the Rocket Launcher and you lose your Strongman conduct. However, if you aren't firing it, and just happen to have the Rocket Launcher in your hands when the Demon dies, you can keep your Strongman conduct.
Appuru, did you fire a weapon at any time during your run? Any time at all? (Particularly if you got the message "You hear the scream of a freed soul" at any of those times)
appuru:
--- Quote from: Tormuse on March 30, 2013, 15:54 ---This was certainly true for previous versions, but not for this one. I've played games in this version where I killed things with my fists while wielding a pistol and still got the Sunrise Iron Fist medal. My understanding is that, for this version, Kornel changed it so that it only credits the kill to the weapon in your hand if something dies in the same turn that you fired the weapon. This means that, for example, if you happen to fire your Rocket Launcher at a wall at the same time that a Demon wanders into lava at the opposite end of the map, it credits the Demon's death to the Rocket Launcher and you lose your Strongman conduct. However, if you aren't firing it, and just happen to have the Rocket Launcher in your hands when the Demon dies, you can keep your Strongman conduct.
Appuru, did you fire a weapon at any time during your run? Any time at all? (Particularly if you got the message "You hear the scream of a freed soul" at any of those times)
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I highly doubt it, the most I tried to do was see if I could punch crates to open them (so I tried to press F but you get a "no ranged weapon" message). I did keep a pistol wielded while punching things for a short time though since I pressed u to equip a pistol on accident. I used the skulls I grabbed from the city of skulls to clear limbo as well.
EDIT: And of course, sebsequent attempts have had terrible, terrible luck. I must have angered the RNG gods for missing this chance x)
Q2ZOv:
I believe I wrote about this in my both strongman diamond posts.
1) its ok to melee-kill someone while holding ranged weapon, kills count towards fist-kills.
2) if any monster dies from any other source (i.e. demons die in lava, or even mosters tele-killing each other [and that happened to me]) while you have a weapon in your hands - kills count towards that weapon.
Well, maybe I should write small article about this on wiki, I just don't have any spare time at all.
appuru:
--- Quote from: Q2ZOv on April 01, 2013, 12:55 ---I believe I wrote about this in my both strongman diamond posts.
1) its ok to melee-kill someone while holding ranged weapon, kills count towards fist-kills.
2) if any monster dies from any other source (i.e. demons die in lava, or even mosters tele-killing each other [and that happened to me]) while you have a weapon in your hands - kills count towards that weapon.
Well, maybe I should write small article about this on wiki, I just don't have any spare time at all.
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That'd be awesome. I'd love to know more about subtle details like these in DoomRL. I wish things like angel runs in general had a few more details so you can better devise a strategy for it. For example for Hell Arena Diamond I didn't know a Large globe spawned in the final wave of the arena level in AoB; that changes a lot!
Tormuse:
--- Quote from: Q2ZOv on April 01, 2013, 12:55 ---2) if any monster dies from any other source (i.e. demons die in lava, or even mosters tele-killing each other [and that happened to me]) while you have a weapon in your hands - kills count towards that weapon.
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Seriously? Oh crap... :o I wish I'd known that sooner, because I'm currently trying for a Malicious Knives Cross in my AAo666 and I spent the first bunch of levels with weapons in my hands. I hope I didn't screw it up! :(
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