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[Sereg]

I found the Inquisitor Set before a normal game would have ended, so I thought this would be a decent run. Apparently, I was mistaken. One nano pack in 250 levels. No chainsaw, no cleaver, no Dragonslayer, not even a nuclear plasma rifle to switch to when my laser rifle ran out of ammo. On 250, I got swarmed by a massive wave of nightmare demons from basically every angle except the north wall. I cleared as many as I could before they closed to me, then had two choices - teleport to the stairs, or teleport to with Hell Staff. Since this was a 100% run so far, stairs are the last resort, so I went with Hell Staff... and the RNG delivered his final insult, and landed me only a short distance from my starting point, where I was dropped from 200% to nothing before I could act.

Looking at the stairs, even that was dangerous - I could have survived, maybe, but I'd have definitely had to sacrifice 100% kills, which... I really shouldn't have to do. A nano super shotgun, which I had prepped to go if I ever found another nano pack, would have made this floor a joke, but without it, it was a death sentence.

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 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Nathan, level 25 Cyberdemon Mjr General Marine,
 was eaten alive by a nightmare demon on level 250 of Hell.
 He survived 1391987 turns and scored 7169812 points.
 He played for 10 hours, 4 minutes and 9 seconds.
 He was a man of Ultra-Violence!

 He killed 13247 out of 13281 hellspawn. (99%)
 He was a real killing machine...
 He was an Archangel of 666!

 He saved himself 7 times.

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 0
  Levels visited   : 0
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (gold cluster)
  Experience Cross
  Armorer Platinum Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/60   Experience 3307578/25
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +6  ToDmg Ranged +5  ToDmg Melee +14

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Marine

    Finesse          (Level 3)
    Hellrunner       (Level 3)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 5)
    Reloader         (Level 2)
    Brute            (Level 3)
    Berserker        (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Badass           (Level 2)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 2)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  SoB->SoB->TH->TH->Rel->Rel->MAc->Fin->Fin->WK->WK->Bad->Bru->Bru->Ber->Bad->HR->HR->DM->Fin->HR->SoB->Bru->SoB->SoB->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Malek's Armor [1/3] (18%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   laser rifle (1d7)x9 [12/40] (F2N1S1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   Nyarlaptotep's Boots [6/6] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   chainsword (8d2) (T)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] super shotgun (10d4)x2 [2/2] (P2)
    [b] laser rifle (1d7)x5 [40/40] (S2)
    [c] nuclear BFG 9000 (8d6) [68/68] (B2)
    [d] Trigun (3d6) [6/6]
    [e] phaseshift armor [4] (AOP)
    [f] plasma shield [0/0] (100%)
    [g] Berserker Armor [0]
    [h] large med-pack
    [i] large med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] homing phase device
    [n] homing phase device
    [o] homing phase device
    [p] homing phase device
    [q] power mod pack
    [r] power mod pack
    [s] technical mod pack
    [t] bulk mod pack
    [u] Hell Staff
    [v] phaseshift boots [4/4] (100%) (A)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Acid       - internal 0%    torso 7%    feet 30% 
    Fire       - internal 0%    torso 25%   feet 100%
    Plasma     - internal 0%    torso 7%    feet 0%   

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    543 former humans
    994 former sergeants
    1493 former captains
    171 imps
    65 demons
    1062 lost souls
    97 cacodemons
    584 hell knights
    2021 barons of hell
    667 arachnotrons
    31 former commandos
    144 pain elementals
    931 revenants
    1282 mancubi
    1382 arch-viles
    68 nightmare imps
    347 nightmare cacodemons
    474 nightmare demons
    261 nightmare arachnotrons
    75 nightmare arch-viles
    6 elite former humans
    3 elite former sergeants
    25 elite former captains
    24 elite former commandos
    244 bruiser brothers
    121 shamblers
    35 lava elemental
    50 agony elementals
    47 Cyberdemons

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  On level 7 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 8 he assembled a gatling gun!
  On level 10 he assembled a tactical shotgun!
  On level 16 he found the Nyarlaptotep's Boots!
  On level 17 he found the Trigun!
  On level 19 he assembled a nanofiber armor!
  On level 19 he found the Malek's Armor!
  He sounded the alarm on level 20!
  On level 20 he found the Hellwave Pack!
  On level 22 he assembled a hyperblaster!
  On level 24 he found the Acid Spitter!
  On level 32 he encountered an armed nuke!
  On level 36 he found the Shielded Armor!
  On level 38 he found the Lava Armor!
  On level 45 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  On level 46 he assembled a cerberus boots!
  Level 47 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 51 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 52 he assembled a chainsword!
  On level 54 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 55 he stumbled into a complex full of mancubi!
  Level 58 blasted him with an unholy atmosphere!
  On level 59 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 71 he found the Berserker Armor!
  On level 73 he found the BFG 10K!
  He sounded the alarm on level 75!
  On level 84 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 92 he was bombarded!
  On level 95 he was targeted for extermination!
  On level 99 he was targeted for extermination!
  On level 100 he ran for his life from lava!
  On level 108 he found the Revenant's Launcher!
  Level 111 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 112 he was targeted for extermination!
  On level 114 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 119 he ran for his life from lava!
  On level 121 he found the Railgun!
  On level 122 he found the Subtle Knife!
  On level 127 he stumbled into a complex full of arch-viles!
  On level 129 he found the Grammaton Cleric Beretta!
  On level 135 he encountered an armed nuke!
  On level 137 he was walking in fire!
  On level 139 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  On level 143 he found the Mega Buster!
  On level 144 he found the Cybernetic Armor!
  On level 146 he ran for his life from lava!
  On level 147 he was targeted for extermination!
  On level 152 he was walking in fire!
  On level 153 he stumbled into a complex full of mancubi!
  On level 167 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 168 he found the Hell Staff!
  On level 171 he was targeted for extermination!
  On level 175, hell froze over!
  On level 176 he found the Enviroboots!
  He sounded the alarm on level 184!
  On level 185 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  On level 194 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  Level 195 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 196, hell froze over!
  Level 197 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 200 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 202 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  Level 203 blasted him with an unholy atmosphere!
  On level 211 he stumbled into a complex full of Cyberdemons!
  On level 212 he stumbled into a complex full of arch-viles!
  Level 214 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 216 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  On level 218 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 221 he ran for his life from lava!
  On level 222 he found the Frag Shotgun!
  On level 223 he was targeted for extermination!
  Level 228 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 235 he ran for his life from lava!
  On level 237 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 241 he stumbled into a agony elemental cave!
  On level 242 he ran for his life from lava!
  On level 246 he ran for his life from lava!
  On level 248 he ran for his life from acid!
  On level 250 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  On level 250 he finally was eaten alive by a nightmare demon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 The missile hits the nightmare demon. The nightmare demon dies. The missile
 hits the nightmare demon. The missile hits the nightmare demon. The missile
 hits the nightmare demon. The missile hits the nightmare demon.
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : a nightmare demon (unhurt) | pool of blood | [ m ]ore
 The missile hits the nightmare demon. The missile hits the nightmare demon.
 The missile hits the nightmare demon. The missile hits the nightmare demon.
 The missile hits the nightmare demon. The missile hits the nightmare demon.
 The missile hits the nightmare demon. The missile hits the nightmare demon.
 The missile hits the nightmare demon. The nightmare demon dies.
 You use a Hell Staff. You feel yanked in a non-existing direction! The
 nightmare demon hits you. The nightmare demon hits you. The nightmare demon
 hits you. The nightmare demon hits you. The nightmare demon hits you. The
 nightmare demon hits you. Your Malek's Armor is damaged! The nightmare demon
 hits you. The nightmare demon hits you. The nightmare demon hits you. You
 die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 1952 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 1782 of those were killed.
 6 of those were killed by something unknown.
 35 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 96 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 33 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 6 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 27 killed the bitch and survived.

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[Evilpotatoe]

Killed by N! demons at dlvl 250 ?! Could't you just pull them into lava ?
With inquisitor set and HR3, your ms is ridiculous ! Or did they surround you at spawn ?

As a side note : you're not forced to use the stairs after using a HPD, but if they are not in your LOS, and especially in a cave, they are probably a rather safe place (at least, way more safe than a random TP :)

Now that I realised it prevent running during TP, I really think hell staff is quite weak. Probably ok for a normal game, but not as good as a few real phase devices, and probably very bad on AoTooMuch, since there is a ton of baddies everywhere, and a second of waiting can easily be lethal.

[Sereg]

Spawn was about 4 spaces north of where I died - so yeah, surrounded at spawn with nowhere to go other then a teleport.

You're probably right about Hell Staff - I just feel like, if stairs is a bad place, I can't pop another homing phase to move again, so my only choice there is to leave the floor, or risk a second bad teleport at random, so I've preferred to random teleport as the first option with stairs as the backup - but evidently, that hasn't worked out so well for me =P

[Tormuse]

I've had similar bad experiences with the Hell Staff, (most notably, my failed N! AAo666 run) and it's really making me mistrust it.  I think I'm just going to ditch the Hell Staff if I come across it in future; it's just not worth it.

[White Rider]

Just gonna quote myself here from here:

I personally dislike using the Hell Staff as a phase device. If you find that your landing spot sucks and you need to run, you can't. (Unless you're playing Technician and can pop a medkit)

* White Rider throws a Hell Staff in Xom's general direction

[Sereg]

It's also worth noting that I took 9+ hits from only 5 demons. Does Hell Staff prevent me from taking any actions for a certain time period? I didn't even have a chance to run, had that been an option - I was literally dead on arrival.

I've had similar bad experiences with the Hell Staff, (most notably, my failed N! AAo666 run) and it's really making me mistrust it.  I think I'm just going to ditch the Hell Staff if I come across it in future; it's just not worth it.

Heh. I suppose that particular run does put things into perspective for me =P

[Tormuse]

It's also worth noting that I took 9+ hits from only 5 demons. Does Hell Staff prevent me from taking any actions for a certain time period?

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.  It doesn't say so in the Wiki, but considering the length of the barrage I received in my above-mentioned AAo666 game, I can't believe that the Hell Staff freezes you for only one second, and as for this mortem, I doubt that the Nightmare Demons just happened, by amazing coincidence, to be standing in a semi-circle around the spot you teleported to.  I think that they had time to run over to you and surround you and bite you repeatedly, which means that using the Hell Staff takes longer than one second...  a lot longer.

[ZicherCZ]

It's also worth noting that I took 9+ hits from only 5 demons. Does Hell Staff prevent me from taking any actions for a certain time period? I didn't even have a chance to run, had that been an option - I was literally dead on arrival.

Heh. I suppose that particular run does put things into perspective for me =P

Don't forget that N! demons have 140% speed, acting at ~0.71s, so if HS takes one second to use, it's fairly possible to happen. It would still be a boatload of unlucky double hits, though.

Devs, please clarify? The time to use the Staff is something that definitely needs to get into the Wiki and common knowledge, just to avoid YASDs like this one.

[Evilpotatoe]

All I know, from the "time" page of the wiki :
Using a teleporter: 1.0s (in addition to the cost of moving onto the teleporter)

Might be because teleporters on the floor trigger Phase.onUse(), or some stupid mechanic like this. Anyway, this, and the whole random aspect around teleports make them too dangerous. They're only worth using when you're surrounded by too much baddies :(

That's why my personal "escape mechanism" in such a case would have been to run in a corner (e.g., the lava tile on your upper left), put on my gothic cerberus, equipp a shell box, and spam shoots.
You were lacking of the shell box, but had a phaseshift set ready, so it should have worked pretty well.

Your nuclear BFG was probably another great option you forgot.

[Sereg]

Yeah, the BFG might have at least provided the knockback I needed to survive... didn't consider it until then, since I hadn't been using it as an item - I was just kinda building the traditional AAo666 B*FNG, so it didn't really cross my mind as part of an escape strategy.

My super shotgun was on the same page - I was building it to a nanoshrapnel(which would have easily solved that entire level) and as such I wasn't carrying ammo for it, since inventory space was tight enough already.

[Evilpotatoe]

You could easily have saved 4 inventory slots with the vanilla packs you carry (what are they for ??! You find them every few levels in that "challenge" !)
Having 4 HPD, but not using one is another terrible mistake : carrying a lot can be good, but not if you're afraid of using them (thats why I rarely carry a second one).

I'm myself  a big champion of unused stuff stockpiling and 10 medkits death... but maybe I can help you manage your stuff... Well, on AoGrind, I usually rather stock too much armors... like 2 to 4 cerberus suits, + shields and uniques ones... thats quite ridiculous, but I often wonder what other (useful) stuff I could carry :/

[Sereg]

The modkits were for an immediate Ripper, if I ever found a chainsaw. In recent runs, I've managed to go copious numbers of floors without ever seeing a flavor of basic mod I need for an assembly, so I was carrying all four mods to avoid that. Probably not entirely necessary, though, since even a basic chainsaw is an upgrade over a chainsword.

As far as not using the homing phase, that's only because I died before I could. I have no issue using them, and had in the past, for invulnerabilities and for other caves. In this case, I used the random phase of the staff for reasons I've described above - HPD would have been the next step, had I lived long enough.

It's true that I was stocking lots of weapons and armor, and most of them I either had an immediate use for, at least occasionally, like the plasma shield, or couldn't find again later, like the Berserker Armor, but there were some, like the PP super shotgun and the BB nuke BFG, that I wasn't planning to actively use until I'd finished the assemblies.