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[Orandulum]

Frankly I think AoPc is stupid and not fun. So when I learnt that dual angels give achievements I figured I'd just knock of the silver badge with AoOC and ignore AoPc from then on. I got pretty lucky and made it to the Mastermind on my first run. So I arrive at Dis, open my backpack for the nuke... only to find that I wasn't given one. I have checked to find that neither AoOC or AoCn give a nuke when paired with AoPc, so why the fuck is it even an option? Plenty of other dual angels compensate so why not this one?

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 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Thomas Parasiuk,
 level 4 Hell Baron 1st Lieutenant Scout,
 let the Spider Mastermind pwn him at the City of Dis.
 He survived 2892 turns and scored 9446 points.
 He played for 8 minutes and 22 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 7 out of 144 hellspawn. (4%)
 My, wasn't he a wimpy chump.
 He was an Angel of Pacifism!
 He was also an Angel of Overconfidence!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 4
  Levels visited   : 2
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  None

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/60   Experience 266/4
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Scout

    Ironman          (Level 1)
    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)

  HR->HR->DM->Iro->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   nothing
    [c] [ Boots      ]   nothing
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] small med-pack
    [b] small med-pack
    [c] large med-pack
    [d] large med-pack
    [e] large med-pack
    [f] envirosuit pack
    [g] envirosuit pack

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    None

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    1 former sergeant
    6 imps

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He left level 1 as soon as possible.
  On level 1 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
  He left level 2 as soon as possible.
  On level 3 he stumbled into a complex full of revenants!
  On level 6 he arrived at Mt. Erebus.
  He decided it was too dangerous.
  He left level 7 as soon as possible.
  Then at last he found Dis!
  On level 8 he finally let the Spider Mastermind pwn him.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You pull the lever...
 Boom! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit!
 You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! Boom!
 You have no ranged weapon.
 You have no ranged weapon.
 You have no ranged weapon.
 You have no ranged weapon.
 You dodge! Boom! You are hit! You are hit! You dodge! Boom! You are hit! You
 dodge! Boom!
 You dodge! Boom! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are
 hit!
 The Spider Mastermind hits you.
 You dodge! Boom! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You dodge! Boom! You
 dodge! Boom!
 You dodge! Boom! You dodge! Boom! You are hit! You dodge! Boom! You are hit!
 You die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 414 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 373 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 22 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 16 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 14 killed the bitch and survived.
 2 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

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[Tormuse]

I was momentarily very confused by your post because I thought you were talking about Angel of Purity.  (Angel of Pacifism is AoPc)  Also, the part where you said AoMC, I assume you meant AoOC, since combining Angel of Pacifism with Angel of Max Carnage would be horrifying!  ;)

Anyway, yeah, I've wondered why you don't get the nuke too; I assumed it was a feature for balance purposes or something?  Maybe someone on the Devteam can answer that, but it could be a bug?  As it is, the only way to win is to grab the Nuclear BFG from the Mortuary/Limbo.

[Orandulum]

Right I've edited it to the correct abbreviations. Didn't know about about AoP/AoPc but I did mess up AoOC because just before I'd done an AoOC/AoMC run because I figured it'd be ridiculous (It really is).

[ZicherCZ]

Well, considering that AoOC makes AoPc quite easier due to the 2/3 cut of game's length, it can be that not having the nuke is meant to compensate this difficulty drop. You have to find it yourself ...
And by the way, would the nuclear BFG even work at all here? AoPc is a "no weapon usage" challenge, after all ...

[Tormuse]

And by the way, would the nuclear BFG even work at all here? AoPc is a "no weapon usage" challenge, after all ...

Yes, it works.  I've tried it.  AoPc blocks weapon firing, but you can still wield weapons and reload them.  (And overloading a Nuclear BFG is done by alt-reloading)

[2birds1stone]

Clearly, overloading a nuclear BFG to create a massive explosion is far more in line with your pacifistic beliefs than firing it.

[ZicherCZ]

OK, now I want to find a nuclear BFG on level 1 and overcharge it. Yes, it would be a YASD, but also a AoPc with 100% killrate.

[Tormuse]

No need for the Nuclear BFG.  Just start up a normal AoPc game and use the nuke that you start with.