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Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« on: September 17, 2019, 13:34 »

It's update time again!

This release has some significant gameplay changes! The tl;dr: we removed Eagle Eye, added Aim action and new traits, revisited and improved "transition" levels (first and last levels of a moon), improved manual targeting, balanced a shitload of stuff and added plasma ravagers. A more detailed description follows!

Accuracy
We've rewrote the accuracy calculations and decided it's time for a significant changes in this territory. Following our design goal of not having traits just increase numbers, we've removed Eagle Eye. In turn we added a new basic action, Aim, activated by waiting (the same as hunker - you can have both now!). It gives a whopping +50% to accuracy (up to 100% after two waits). But there's more - several new traits have been added instead! Marine got Focused fire (+10% accuracy to every next successive shot if only shooting), Scout got Deadly precision (your Aim bonus is also a bonus to critical chance) and both Scout and Marine got Steady shot (retain the aim bonus after shot). Technician already benefits much from Aim synergy with Hunker, so we gave him a different trait - Tinkerer (+2 charges on stations).

Looking at aim we obviously looked at cover too, now accuracy always helps to avoid cover properly - this fixes a few wierd behaviours too! At the same time we noticed problems with shotgun damage vs cover. Movable cover was taken into account, but wall cover wasnt. We decided to go halfway - cover affects damage, but only half as it affects accuracy of weapons. To offset shotgun stopping power, we increased basic shotgun damage.

Ranges
Following that we took a look at ranges and noticed that they're not to clear. The minimum range was tweaked so now it's the minimum range at which you have full accuracy, and the max range is the range at which you still have any base accuracy. We tweaked some values to a couple weapons, see CHANGELOG below for details - most notably chaingun has now minimum range 3.

Manual targeting
Accuracy also made us take a look at manual targeting. Now the last manual target is remembered unless you move, and as a bonus you can see the health of inanimate objects! I hear rejoicing from blind fire abusers, but hold your horses - aiming at stuff you don't see no longer takes accuracy into account (how can you aim at what you cannot see?) and has the standard -50% to hit penalty against things that are not targeted.

Weapon/Armor mods
Further on the balance train we also took a look at modding. We decided to reduce the mod capacity increase of Whizkid to +1, but to offset that we decided to allow everybody to mod exotic (magenta) weapons with one mod. The idea is that due to overmodded basic weapons there was no place for exotics or ADVs in the meta unless you were a Technician (who can still multi-mod them).

Balance
A small change that might not immediately pop from the list - enemies are now more aggressive, especially in their optimal range. They will more likely shoot instead of moving, especially at the higher difficulties.

We hope that some of the balance changes will introduce more weapon variety viability as well as make mid-late game harder (e.g. we buffed the armor of post-Callisto formers and Summoner). The latter goal is still in the works though (in the meantime play around with plasma ravagers). In general we hope that Scout got a general buff in this release to make him as viable as the other classes - between Deadly precision, Aim and the stealth vs melee improvement.

Transition levels
However, the most immediately visible change is the transition levels! No longer will people ask us how do you take an elevator from Callisto to Europa :P. We took the occasion to add some balancing too - e.g. you have all three energy weapons guarantee to appear on Io early levels.

Visual
Finally there are visual improvements with shadows and smoke effects. The former being a side effect of FINALLY fixing the Iris Pro shadow bug!

Full changelog below!

Changelog
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NEW    #792 - Callisto L1 upgraded!
NEW    #772 - Aim action added (use Wait to add +50% to hit)
NEW    #777 - new trait - Steady shot (retain your aim between shots)
NEW    #777 - new trait - Focused fire (successive shots +10% acc)
NEW    #777 - new trait - Deadly precision (Aim bonus -> crit chance)
NEW    #790 - new trait - Tinkerer (+2 charges on stations)
NEW    #780 - manual targeting remembers targets until you move
NEW    #779 - new setting - turning off "idle" voice quips
NEW    #771 - settings now in categories
NEW    #780 - targeting doors or other destructible objects shows hp
NEW    #690 - weapon range and accuracy topics added to Help
NEW    #796 - plasma ravagers added
CHANGE #800 - Valhalla Spaceport updated
CHANGE #801 - Europa L1 - smaller "intro" level with own generator
CHANGE #804 - Europa Central Dig revisited
CHANGE #805 - Io L1 - intro level with guaranteed energy weapons
CHANGE #796 - Whizkid gives +1 mod capacity per level
CHANGE #796 - everyone can mod exotics once
CHANGE #798 - min distance now correctly shows the minimum distance
              at which the tohit chance is full while max distance
              shows the maximum distance at which it is possible to
              hit the enemy (consistency) - all values updated by 1
CHANGE #789 - stealth gives 150% evasion (so -75% melee to-hit)
CHANGE #777 - removed Eagle Eye
CHANGE #781 - shotgun damage properly depends on cover
CHANGE #781 - increased shotgun damage to compensate
CHANGE #777 - removed EE from Marine and Scout, both get Steady shot
              Marine gets Focused fire, Scout gets Deadly precision
CHANGE #776 - accuracy calculations refactored!
CHANGE #776 - accuracy now always helps to not hit cover
CHANGE #780 - vault, keydoors have now armor instead of shitload hp
CHANGE #769 - cannot aim at something you cannot see (blindfire -50%)
CHANGE #796 - most demonic melee enemies now cause Bleeding
CHANGE #805 - you can now compare amps on floor
CHANGE #788 - balance - hunter rifle min distance raised by 1
CHANGE #796 - balance - rocket launchers have min dist 2
CHANGE #796 - balance - chaingun min and opt ranges raised by 1
CHANGE #796 - balance - reduced auto, assault, energy max range by 1
CHANGE #788 - balance - non-ammo using enemy ammo drops made more
              consistent, with a guaranteed amount
CHANGE #796 - balance - revolver max distance raised by 1
CHANGE #796 - balance - turret max distance decreased (-acc on long)
CHANGE #796 - balance - enemies more likely to attack in opt range
CHANGE #799 - balance - europa+ formers have slightly better armor
CHANGE #799 - balance - CRI marines have better armor
CHANGE #799 - balance - summoner armor buffed
CHANGE #633 - improved shadow quality
CHANGE #807 - improved smoke rendering
FIX    #633 - Intel Iris Pro (esp macOS) - fixed shadow rendering
FIX    #776 - fixed hitting enemy in cover by firing at enemy behind
FIX    #776 - fixed high accuracy display and real chance mismatch
FIX    #778 - fixed repeating no ammo quip on reload dance
FIX    #781 - fixed mismatch of shotgun damage between world and UI
FIX    #768 - explosion range in targeting no longer reveals enemies
FIX    #796 - fixed advanced SMG's sometimes having no stats
FIX    #792 - fixed yet another case of lootbox in tight corridor
FIX    #805 - fixed display for armor value 10 and over
FIX    #774 - fixed rare cases of running out of texture space

A traditional bugfix release will probably follow. Next update will probably be 0.9.0 (note that the scheme we use moves to 0.10.0 afterwards, so it's NOT 90% ). It will probably be out at the beginning of October!

Thank you, and good luck!
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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2019, 21:37 »

I YASD'ed on my first game in this new release, but that was more from carelessness than anything.

For a long time I was roaming the floors with 15/100 HP without dying, and I must say, I'm digging the new aim mechanism.  It feels like it gives a lot of fire control back to the player.

I will try to play a bit more with the new mechanics when I get the chance -- work has been killing any free time I have left.
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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2019, 10:04 »

Love the speedup on low-end machines!

* I expect keys C, E etc to work in their peer windows too. Like, E will switch me to equipment screen from character screen.
* When leaving medical station after increasing health, my marine has to spend a turn on exiting, and cannot (seemingly?) use Adrenaline to full extent of 45% pain he was in, and only use 21%. Can we auto-return when the station is out of charges? Or is it a balancing choice?
* Weapon description in E window could also mention the kind of ammo. Not just "36" but "36 of 7.62".
* How can I examine the descriptions of traits that I already have, or others? My total shooting/moving speed?
* I expect more debris and smoke in the first room, as the dropship was shot down and crash-landed. Probably shattered floor.
* I miss "use from the floor" U key.
* Can we have a game mechanics FAQ? I remember a discussion of what the Dodge changing during the animation means, but kill me if I remember what's the idea of it. Same stands for weapon ranges. Same for, what is the distance in the range, Manhattan distance or Pythagoras's distance?

Ideas:
* when a profanity level is set to 0, default the character name to some mr. Nice Guy character, like Steve Rogers;
* some more voice fluff: when a game was idle, and a player takes an action, say something like "I thought you left me here" or "Aaaah, you scared me!" (Starcraft reference). Opening a storage: "Now, what do we have here..." with variations like "Thank you, Santa!"; he can misspell it as "Satan" on high profanity level, but I'm afraid it would be too much for USA. In general, there are so many more funny things for the voice. Making a brainstorm in Discord/at the forum might be fun.
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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2019, 01:37 »

The medkit station pain is mostly flavor. We pass a turn on menu exit, because any other solution has its issues. More debris is planned, but that requires a new visual system and quite a bit of assets - low priority compared to gameplay improvements at the moment. U from floor not ever being implemented has been discussed to the death (see the FAQ on the Steam or GOG forums). As for game mechanics FAQ, you know there's a help system in the game, right?

We cannot simply add new voice lines. This requires a quite expensive setup of a recording studio and scheduling issues. We'll probably make a recording session again in mid-EA, but that won't be any time soon due to budget issues, and the fact that we need to squeeze a lot into that session, because we'll have one shot, and maybe another one prior to 1.0 and that's it for pre-launch voice recording.

Thanks for the feedback!
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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2019, 22:59 »

* Got it about med station, thanks.
* My impression was the game already has debris after rockets explosion, and smoke from barrels. If those don't work here, then sorry, it's not as if I'm demanding more fluff for the sake of it.
* Shame. On. Me. I didn't even think of reading the help! (no sarcasm except for self-irony)

I totally understand that voice acting is expensive and you only have a couple of sessions and you are generally stretched too thin.

What I think is that you may get more out of these limited resources, because there is a quite cheap way to make the writing of the voice more awesome: by filtering ideas that your followers may throw at you for free. Barring a little investment of time, like creating a couple of forum posts and a Discord channel. Discord even allows voting for the ideas with emoticons.

More notes:
* just tried switching current weapon in E screen with 1-2-3. What if it worked? OTOH, E screen shouldn't switch the active weapon in-game, it will take time units.
* I still expect Esc key to work in all the windows: game over window, score table, the main menu, etc.
* When I shoot enemies at the range of my sight and hit (I see blood on the floor), they just turn around and go away. In DRL, they would pursue me.
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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2019, 11:44 »

The crowdsourcing of ideas for VO istotne definitely something well consider :). I'll see about the Escape key. The game follows the rule of returning to main view as soon as something passes time. This is a good rule both design wise, as well as code wise (special cases like death during screen X). As for the AI it's a remnant of trying to make the AI easier on early floors. I'll be removing that as I'll take a look at AI this update.
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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2019, 19:25 »

just YASD at the summoner, some thoughts on the new version + mortem

- nerfing of technician helps a lot with difficulty in later game - as fun as it is to one-shot everything with a P3A2 chaingun
- chaingun still feels OP even with nerfing, it feels wrong for it to take rifle skills
- shotgun kind of feels weird now with doors giving more cover, i rather liked the ability to blast enemies hard at the risk of them blasting you
- late game ammo shortage is helped a bit with more enemies dropping plasma, but cri marines don't seem to be dropping any guns. i remember someone dropped a plasma pistol in the older version, but maybe it was someome else? i didnt encounter any plasma pistol on this run. 9mm lategame ammo shortage still hurts a bit, making an early pierce pistol's usefulness drop off later
- more stuff seems to be dropping 44 ammo later in the game so maybe next time i might hold onto the rifle for longer?
- ability to set gender? not sure how prohibitive VO is but would not require a model change
- could it be possible to increase the time of the idle VO? it seems like every time i get up to grab a beer i come back to insults
- dropships/teleports and more text are great. i assume more transition stuff is coming between special branches/levels too? levels also feel more diverse on this run, with different elevator placement

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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2019, 16:57 »

maybe i didnt YASD at the summoner as i got my ass kicked again, will have to try a different approach next time

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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2019, 19:01 »

lugging around power mods through the first two branches to put in the plasma rifle did the trick. souped up PR is delightfully nasty even without utility damage modifier

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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2019, 19:19 »

Balance notes after playing for some time on the lover levels.
* The ammo-only crates (blue ones?) feel like a waste of level points (if the level generator works same way as in DRL). Now that the ammo is in abundance to balance lack of unloading, is there a need for them?
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Re: Jupiter Hell 0.8.3 RELEASED!
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2019, 22:40 »

It would be nice if targeting mode displayed the item on the floor of the targeted cell. For example, in the top right corner, if there is no enemy/door to target now.
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