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[H|100%|Win] My first victory in new version
« on: May 05, 2007, 06:17 »

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Blade, level 12 Human Soldier, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 139894 turns and scored 169239 points.
 He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.

 He killed 591 out of 591 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!

 He found the Phobos Arena.
 He stormed the Chained Court.
 He ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 He fought on Hell's Arena.
 He became a champion of Hell's Arena!
 He invaded Spider's lair.
 He faced The Wall.
 And he cleared it completely!.
 He was caught in the Mortuary!
 And he managed to clear it!
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 35/50   Experience 61189/12
  ToHit +6  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Hellrunner     (Level 1)
    Tough as nails (Level 3)
    Reloader       (Level 3)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 2)
    Intuition      (Level 3)

  EE->EE->Int->Int->Int->Rel->Rel->Rel->TaN->TaN->TaN->HR->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Angelic Armor [6/6] (85%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   BFG 9000 (8d8) [60/100]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [8/8] (82%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   advanced BFG 9000 (8d9) [20/130] (D1S1M1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] red armor [4/4] (69%)
    [b] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [c] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [d] red armor [2/4] (47%)
    [e] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [f] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [g] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [h] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [i] advanced rocket launcher (4d4) [0/1] (R1S3)
    [j] chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50]
    [k] plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [7/40]
    [l] 10mm ammo (x105)
    [m] small med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] large med-pack
    [r] phase device

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    53 former humans
    61 former sergeants
    35 former captains
    31 imps
    48 demons
    23 lost souls
    59 cacodemons
    33 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    20 hell knights
    50 arachnotrons
    25 former commandos
    17 pain elementals
    12 arch-viles
    15 mancubi

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 11 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 14 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 18 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
  He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
  On level 22 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You reload the BFG 9000 with power cell.
 You swap your weapon.
 You hear an explosion!
 Fire -- Choose target... Find a more constructive way to commit suicide.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 fires! You are hit!
 You reload the BFG 9000 with power cell.
 You have no more ammo for the BFG 9000!
 You hear an explosion!
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 The Cyberdemon fires! You hear an explosion!
 You swap your weapon. The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 dies. Congratulations! You defeated the Cyberdemon! Press <Enter>

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

  He's the first brave soul to have ventured into Hell...

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I decided not to use player from previous version, so i can't play UV games yet. Now my feeling is that the game is much more harder than 0985. I like new retaliating AI, it's really more interesting to play now, but sometimes it is cheating, imho. Sometimes monsters that wasn't damaged by me, and that even haven't seen me starts to walk in my directions(often BoHs, HKs and Mancubi). And this can happen on any level. Also Arena seems to be very difficult(when right near your spawn place are standing BoH, Mancubus, Cacodemon, and imp, and something firing from outside of your LOS, only BFG, or LS can save you), even if you enter it well-equipped, i have seen 3 Arenas and haven't survived any.

Backpack powerup is very usefull, and it is well-placed.)) But there is still some bugs with it that i have noticed in Bug Reports.

I don't understand, why supercharge in CC was replaced with weapon mod. It is not so rare item, and it can be used only if you was lucky enough to find usable advanced weapon before finding CC. This happens not so often.

It seems to me that quantity of AVs in Mortuary was increases. I noticed 5-6 AVs on Hard difficulty, and even with BFG it was a problem to clear it. But reward is VERY big(you can see my inventory in mortem). Only one thing - after Mortuary you have tons of good armors, medikits, but have very little amount of ammo. Maybe remove 2 of red armors and place some ammo in all corners?

I don't understand, why a reward for clearing Spider's Lair is a Combat Shotgun. Not BFG, not chainsaw, as before, but Combat Shotgun... Imho clearing it isn't worth the reward.

I like new Hell's Arena.

HoC's BFG door still can't be opened with shotgun.

As conclusion: great work, Kornel, really good addons, but if in previous version amount of good players was quite low, not it will be even smaller. This version is really harder than previous. I don't know what about UV, but i'm afraid that it will be hard too.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2007, 16:13 by Blade »
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Re: [H|100%|Win] My first victory in new version
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2007, 07:37 »

I agree with the spider's lair comment. It needs a better reward i suggest putting the spider mastermind in there. Then the reward can be an advanced chaingun.
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Re: [H|100%|Win] My first victory in new version
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2007, 09:31 »

Congrats. Have you tried AoMr in the new version? I find finishing Hell's Arena very tough with AoMr.

And on UV, it is hard to kill Hell Knights and Cacodemons now without them moving into LOS and engaging you (with backup enemies), they were easy to kill out of LOS before but now.. well I think they are far more dangerous than when you had to run from Demons on AoB in 0.985, now you run from Cacodemons and Hell Knights because you only have a unmodded pistol :D
« Last Edit: May 05, 2007, 09:46 by Firstblood »
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Re: [H|100%|Win] My first victory in new version
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2007, 13:14 »

Gratz! :)


I tend to agree with all of Blade's comments:
The special arena levels are way too hard. The only reasons I managed to get through the 2 I've landed in were a very lucky phase in the first and very lucky placement in the second (where there were also no serious heavy-hitters, which compared with the first means some very serious luck). How about making LOS longer for the player, too? It won't make it too easy, as there will still be way more enemies targeting you than you could possibly target yourself, even with a well placed rocket. It'll just make understanding your situation possible, aside from understanding that you're DooMed, which is pretty clear right now :P

That CC mod's nearly useless right now. Maybe make the CS moddable by default? :)

As a whole, there are way too many enemies, most of which are very powerful, making the new AI unbalancing IMO. I'm really happy with each of these on their own, but all together it's really quite too much. I think that just making spawn rates lower and/or power escalation slower, on at least the first 3 difflvls, will make all the difference. I'm less worried about UV, which's ment to be hard regardless of skill, anyway. I haven't tried N! yet, and doubt I will for the next couple of weeks.


Firstblood, have you tried using the center horizontal line to single out enemies? Do this while firing as far to the left/right as possible (with the exception of splash security distance from the wall, of course). The 50% miss rate and AI should still not be enough to stop you from taking care of most targets quite effectively this way - with a CG on v0987 I've killed most targets without them entering my LOS, and a pistol with SoaG should be only slightly less effective in the long run, IMO.

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Re: [H|100%|Win] My first victory in new version
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2007, 16:25 »

Yeah I tried that. There was a pillar in the way so I couldn't fire that far. I can get to the 2nd round of Hell's Arena, but killing a Cacodemon out of LOS can take about 20 pistol shots minus bleeding, and by that time its already in LOS. Its probably possible with several attempts though.

I haven't tried with a Chaingun yet. It could be easier than in 0.985 with a CG, as you know its heading straight towards you and not moving from side to side.
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Re: [H|100%|Win] My first victory in new version
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 10:07 »

Yeah, with a CG I've had no problems at all there.

Regarding pillars, since you know your targets're around the center of the level (sooner or later), try shooting from an angle, keeping as much of the middle of the center horizontal line on the targeting path as possible. It works for me (but it's a pain in the ass).

Regarding the Cacos - well, that's the tradeoff of being an AoMr ;)
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