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Mushuukyou

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Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« on: July 06, 2012, 20:29 »

This has got to be one of the best rougelike games that could be made, and you people are sitting on it, as if it'll hatch itself?

...like, really?
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 21:24 »

I'm not in the DiabloRL side of things so someone step in to correct me if I'm wrong, but....

DiabloRL is Open Source 
(http://diablo.chaosforge.org/articles/7/diablorl-goes-open-source)

So if anyone is sitting on it, it's the whole Internet!
If you want it, you have the power to do something about it! :P
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2012, 05:18 »

MaiZure is quite correct that it's open source. There is also work taking place on it. I believe that a good portion of the code has now been converted to lua to allow for more/better control...that being said, if you want to see what's going on with it and/or help out, feel free to jump on #chaosforge on irc.quakenet.org and have a chat.

EDIT: original post implied the entire code was being converted to lua, which can't and shouldn't happen. o.O
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2012, 06:22 »

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original post implied the entire code was being converted to lua, which can't and shouldn't happen.
Speak for yourself. Lua's an amazing language. Betcha'd see a lot more community effort. I wish someone would make a decent curses wrapper for Ruby, then I might start making that Civilization-themed roguelike I've always wanted to make. Roguelike developers all seem to want to live in ancient history. I'd rather let a pinkie chew my eyes out than program in C.
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 08:16 »

Kids these days... have no respect for low-level systems languages.

But that said, DiabloRL is seeing work done.  More specifically, the code base is updated to work with the major changes in Valkyrie, and new content is being added.

Also I sense an air of resentment -- be nice.  It is open source, in theory more people can get involved, but few do.  Those who do are already putting in effort, so be a liitle more understanding?
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 10:29 »

Sorry then, from looking over what data I could find, I didn't interpret it as there being much done with it.
My apologies if I didn't research enough.

I can't program, but I can donate.
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 10:30 »

Kids these days... have no respect for low-level systems languages.

What? C? Low-level? Damn I'm old.
I usually reserve that descriptor for FORTRAN or COBOL or Rogue :P

Oops, didn't mean to totally derail the topic..*cough* DiabloRL!
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 14:53 »

Lua's an amazing language.
But but but it starts arrays from 1!!!
And variables are global by default!  In my days we explicitly declared our variables.
Plus there's no integer type (or at least an integer division operator like Python).  Integer arithmetic is a good thing; having to call math.floor to get it is no fun.
And eww, it uses ~= instead of != for inequality.  That bugs me.
In addition there's no continue statement (though I like the new goto).
Also I prefer curly brackets instead of keywords to start and end blocks.
Plus it's really designed to be an embedded language, so just turning a project into an executable is difficult.

I do love its simplicity and flexibility though.
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 19:10 »

But but but it starts arrays from 1!!!
Like in any reasonable language (see Free Pascal). If you have 5 apples, the last apple is the 5th or the 4th? Think about it.

And variables are global by default!  In my days we explicitly declared our variables.
This I am explicitly working on fixing, as a part of my PhD.

Plus there's no integer type (or at least an integer division operator like Python).  Integer arithmetic is a good thing; having to call math.floor to get it is no fun.
A number is a number. 3.3 has no less rights to live than 3. And that makes a TON of things simpler in the language -- it's greatest strength.

And eww, it uses ~= instead of != for inequality.  That bugs me.
Yeah it uses ~= instead of <> for inequality. That bugs me.... (argument invalid :P)

In addition there's no continue statement (though I like the new goto).
I don't. It messes up creating a formal model for the VM.

Also I prefer curly brackets instead of keywords to start and end blocks.
Most reasonable languages (see Pascal or Ruby) use keywords. I don't know what idiot came up with the curly braces idea ;).

Plus it's really designed to be an embedded language, so just turning a project into an executable is difficult.
Err, no? See premake.

I do love its simplicity and flexibility though.
Me too ^^
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 19:11 »

BTW, I promised a new release of every CF project this year, and I'll give my all to keep the promise.
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 21:59 »

Like in any reasonable language (see Free Pascal). If you have 5 apples, the last apple is the 5th or the 4th? Think about it.
Yeah but why restrict yourself to using 65535 possible values of an integer while you could have 65536?! :P
Seriously though, I guess it really depends on what you're used to. I'm mainly a c++ chap and I find it a really annoying pain in the butt to keep in mind lua starts to count from 1.

And eww, it uses ~= instead of != for inequality.  That bugs me.
Which is especially annoying if you got an azerty keyboard like me. Fun fact: To get a ~, you have to actually press ~ twice (which is done by pressing alt gr + a button next to right shift, so you gotta move both hands real far) and then backspace to remove the one it typed too much.

Most reasonable languages (see Pascal or Ruby) use keywords. I don't know what idiot came up with the curly braces idea ;).
It's not that idiotic... it looks less messy to me that way... again, though, they're a pain in the butt to type with azerty, because they're another goddamned alt gr combination.
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2012, 00:38 »

Which is especially annoying if you got an azerty keyboard like me.

Heh, my guess is you and I can't live apart much further than 100km, though sometimes it seems like there's a whole planet between us :P

I guess you just can't have dEUS and QWERTY...
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2012, 04:55 »

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What? C? Low-level? Damn I'm old.
Yep, it is pretty low (and do not mistake it with C++).

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Like in any reasonable language (see Free Pascal). If you have 5 apples, the last apple is the 5th or the 4th? Think about it.
Thanks for calling C/C++, Java, C#, Perl (and lots of other) unreasonable ;) . Think of table ID as the offset.

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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2012, 12:24 »

Thanks for calling C/C++, Java, C#, Perl (and lots of other) unreasonable ;) . Think of table ID as the offset.
Beethoven's Offset 8 symphony?
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Re: Is this *EVER* going to be released?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 03:07 »

@up
E.g. In C/C++ the first element has the same address as the table itself. The second has the same address + 1 * offset. The third has the same address + 2 * offset.
I bet you know about that :) .
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