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Balance suggestions
LuckyDee:
Although most of what's been said makes perfect sense, I still don't agree that MSc doesn't work as a pistol build: with EE2 required for the master, access to both SOG and SOB (and REL+FIN, for those that want it) and the ability to make a simple pistol into a killing machine (a P2 modded storm bolter, for example). Take another level to get INT2 and you'll be killing most enemies before they step in sight (and propel them back out again if they do).
Currently doing MSc on AA666, mainly to get (close to) Technician Platinum and Heroic Gold (via the Experience Cross); if it works as well as my previous non-master pistol build on A100, I'll get you a proper mortem. Give it a day or three, though :S
AlterAsc:
MSc and pistols are not compatible? Ha! SoG5, SoB5, P3B2 combat pistol (3d6) [26/26]. DG? Unique mods? Unique pistols? Aint nobody have time to use them when you have 3d6+10 damage each shot. Less than 3*6+5, but still A LOT.
About MSc and rapid-fire. Assault chaingun and hyperblaster are your best friends until you take enough levels in SoB. Later assault rifle assembly becomes useless, but hyperblaster always rocks.
The only real loss that MSc suffers is Ber. And when i go for MSc i decide that i'm not playing melee game so mostly i don't care.
MSc doesn't have to compete with anything. Of course MAc is more reliable when it comes to rapid-fire, MSs is better in terms of DPS, and MCe is safer.But they all come with disadvantages, and MSc basically have none except inability to take another master.
About Entrenchment: it's mediocre and low difficulties and quite bad at high difficulties. Ber and MMB give >50% resistance, so a lot of the time damage is reduced to 1.But +30% is not that good. Like you care that hell barons will deal not 12 but 8 damage. Still too much. And there's also the fact that you have to stand still.
Klear:
I agree about entrenchment. I used it a couple of times I played a masterless build and realized it didn't block anything too important, and the bonus might have saved me a couple of HPs, but it was nothing to write home about. More of a "might as well" trait, rather than something to build to.
SageAcrin:
--- Quote ---MSc and pistols are not compatible? Ha! SoG5, SoB5, P3B2 combat pistol (3d6) [26/26]. DG? Unique mods? Unique pistols? Aint nobody have time to use them when you have 3d6+10 damage each shot. Less than 3*6+5, but still A LOT.
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That's also the best modding assembly, though.
Pretty much everything is a drop from that, and there's no guarantee you'll see a Combat Pistol on a run(or that you won't be able to mod it that fully, for that matter. Or at least, get the Ps, which are what really matters.).
This reminds me that I don't really know the rules for when and where you can stack standard mods, though. It'd help if I did at points.
--- Quote ---But they all come with disadvantages, and MSc basically have none except inability to take another master.
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And the part where you lose Triggerhappy.
--- Quote ---But +30% is not that good. Like you care that hell barons will deal not 12 but 8 damage. Still too much. And there's also the fact that you have to stand still.
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I'm pretty sure that Protection kicks in after resists (And I think it kicks in after shotgun falloff damage reduction, too. Hard to be absolutely certain, of course.).
So, 12 reduced to 8 and then having 4 protection applied is pretty different from 12 and then 4 protection applied. It looks a lot more competitive then.
Having said that, yeah, I don't know about the standing still thing. Using it correctly seems difficult. It may not even be a high enough boost, even with that, to justify bothering-it's certainly not high enough to just stand and shoot groups of enemies, your armor will get torn up and it really won't be any different from 12-30% then...
I can't say it seems great on paper.
LuckyDee:
--- Quote from: SageAcrin on April 10, 2013, 08:57 ---there's no guarantee you'll see a Combat Pistol on a run
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Doesn't matter. A standard issue pistol transformed into a storm bolter turns into a handheld doomsday device when backed by those stats.
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