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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #105 on: May 08, 2013, 14:21 »

Were some posts deleted, or did I do something bad?
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #106 on: May 08, 2013, 15:25 »

If it helps, I'm not any closer to understanding the mystery then I was before all the "spoilers" posted thus far. I'm sure that, from the perspective of someone who does know how these items work, all the hints that have been given so far seem too helpful, and you might worry that no one could possibly not figure it out after reading them.

I assure you, from this side, it's still vague as all hell.

Keeping it in spoiler tags is completely understandable, of course - I realize there are some people out there who take a certain pride in figuring it out for themselves, and it would be a shame if they were to have it accidentally revealed by browsing through a thread.

As for me, though, I'm still without a clue.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #107 on: May 09, 2013, 01:17 »

based on the hints given in previous posts
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2013, 08:09 »

« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 10:03 by Sereg »
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2013, 08:48 »

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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #110 on: May 09, 2013, 10:01 »

Well, another DS-wielder here. I needed it for tech diamond so I took it.
OK, i will keep this "secret", but... let's just say this "secret" is hilarious and dissapointing. The only thing i'll say that this thread is a big overthinking.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #111 on: May 09, 2013, 10:05 »

Well, another DS-wielder here. I needed it for tech diamond so I took it.
OK, i will keep this "secret", but... let's just say this "secret" is hilarious and dissapointing. The only thing i'll say that this thread is a big overthinking.

Well, when trying basic, simple things doesn't work, you tend to start thinking the solution is more complex. If it were really as simple as pressing "g" or "u", we'd all have it already. I will never be disappointed if I manage to pick it up - whatever the method is, it's too complicated for me.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #112 on: May 09, 2013, 10:14 »

So do you want me to PM you the secret?
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #113 on: May 09, 2013, 10:16 »

So do you want me to PM you the secret?
I thought you already knew it.
Well, when trying basic, simple things doesn't work, you tend to start thinking the solution is more complex. If it were really as simple as pressing "g" or "u", we'd all have it already. I will never be disappointed if I manage to pick it up - whatever the method is, it's too complicated for me.
It really IS that basic and simple. There is nothing illogical or overcomplicated.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #114 on: May 09, 2013, 10:18 »

I thought you already knew it.

I guess I didn't communicate well.  I know it and I was offering to let Sereg in on the secret.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #115 on: May 09, 2013, 10:34 »

I'm not sure that's allowed. I'm curious, but not that curious... yet. I appreciate the offer - suffice it to say I'm not one of those people who needs to figure it out themselves to have a sense of accomplishment about it, so I wouldn't be averse to learning the information that way. It's just that there seems to be such a contrived aura of secrecy around this item that I'm not sure the community as a whole would appreciate me finding out that way.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #116 on: May 09, 2013, 13:37 »

I don't know about you, but have you noticed a pattern in 2Dev's mortems concerning the dragonslayer?

1. He doesn't seem to complete every special level, or even enter them all.
2. He doesn't complete The Wall (he can enter it, but he can't kill anything/didn't kill anything)
3. Notice that he always does Blademaster builds
4. I don't know if this is required to get the DS, but he always has antigrav plasteel boots, A modded
5. He never gets the Berserker armor to drop on a "regular" floor, only in The Mortuary
6. Does not have to be damageless, nor does it have to be 100% kills
7. 2Dev seems to do only melee after the UC. The DS drops on UC instead of Azarel's Sycthe.

How does the evidence add up to gaining the DS/Berserker Armor on predetermined levels? 2Dev, you are a god.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #117 on: May 09, 2013, 13:47 »

1. The 2Dev mortems I've seen are all Nightmare Conqueror Full Wins, so the fact that he skips Conqueror could very well be relevant.
2. This seems odd to me. Perhaps there's a reason for it, but I can't think of what it might be.
3. This could be because he uses the timestop effect as his damageless strategy. Or it could also be related to a melee component of the requirements.
4. I assume that's also part of his damage minimization strategy - when playing a melee focused build, getting to your enemies before they can shoot you is very useful.
5/7. It would appear they replace the guaranteed yellows from those levels when certain conditions are met, similar to how Azrael's Scythe replaces Longinus when HMP/100% kills is true.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #118 on: May 09, 2013, 14:10 »

I also thought it was Nightmare mode, but I got the DS to spawn on some level while playing HNTR, and the Berserker armor spawned in the Lava Pits.

I know that there is a specific way to get the DS. However, here's what screws me over: don't you have to get the Berserker Armor FIRST and then you can pick up the DS? So why can 2Dev pick up the DS on UC and then get the Berserker Armor on the Mortuary, which comes afterward?

Also, attempting to pick something up counts as finding the item. If you don't attempt to pick up the DS, it can spawn again later that run.

The other screwy thing is how fast 2Dev does his runs. If I was on Nightmare!, I'd take my sweet time, figuring out how to do each move carefully. How can he manage a game that fast and get something so specialized?

Also, Tormouse got the Berserker Armor to spawn in the Mortuary, but he didn't get the DS in the UC. This shows that the Berserker Armor isn't completely connected to the spawning of the DS. Tormouse did a N! run on AoMc, not quite damageless, but he only got 56 points of damage. He also took a day to finish the run, so speed isn't necessary to spawn at least the Berserker Armor. He also did a Cateye build, so this could be why he didn't get the DS, if its spawning is related to your build at all. But Tormouse also entered and completed the Wall. So, if the Wall does correlate to the spawning of the DS, he may have blown it right there.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #119 on: May 09, 2013, 15:46 »

« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 15:50 by Tormuse »
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