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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #120 on: May 09, 2013, 15:54 »

Me and my friend speculated that you need to do damageless arena on N! and several more specials levels damageless too. Not sure if there's damage taken threshold for normal levels though.

The problem about all these 'simple' solutions is that different people think of different things first when they hear 'simple'. God knows how frustrating it can be when you need to figure something 'obvious'.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #121 on: May 09, 2013, 16:25 »

I'm gona spoiler my theory about the quarenteed DS spawn:

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I'm almost tempted to go test if I can get it to spawn but I really lack patience for low damage N! runs.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 16:26 by Fanta Hege »
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #122 on: May 09, 2013, 18:06 »

And so it begins... The forced spawn hypothesizing.  This one I actually only know because of looking at the source code.

« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 18:09 by Matt_S »
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #123 on: May 09, 2013, 18:12 »

Lol. It's probably just there so 2Dev can have guaranteed DS/BA. Looking at his runs, and considering the possible conditions from that perspective... it doesn't seem like something a lot of people are likely to manage.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #124 on: May 10, 2013, 13:32 »

Not quite, I don't think it has to be N!.

What I have figured out is there is a major misconception about the Berserker Armor and the DS: you actually have to pick UP the DS in order to wear the Berserker Armor.

So, you are able to pick up the DS FIRST, but not USE it until you get the Berserker Armor to drop?
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #125 on: May 10, 2013, 14:48 »

Not quite, I don't think it has to be N!.

What I have figured out is there is a major misconception about the Berserker Armor and the DS: you actually have to pick UP the DS in order to wear the Berserker Armor.

So, you are able to pick up the DS FIRST, but not USE it until you get the Berserker Armor to drop?
It HAS to be N! to spawn DS/BA on scripted places (but they can also be spawned by random as any other unique).  You ARE able to use  DS without BA. Actually you are unable to use something else because DS goes into you hand on pick up and cannot be swapped (but you can pick something in offhand with "u" - that should be handy for MMK making it really badass). You must have DS to wear BA (but it is kinda crappy armour, i suggest wearing it only for final fight).
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2013, 14:58 »

So here's what I can gather:

1. A full on Conqueror run will NOT get you the DS or the BA.
2. It HAS to be Nightmare! (of course, why would it be on UV?)
3. You IMMEDIATELY equip the DS on pickup from the UC
4. You get the BA on The Mortuary (possibly also Limbo?)
5. The DS only gains full strength (9d9) when used with the BA.

I guess I could use Tourist Mod to test some stuff out here.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #127 on: May 10, 2013, 15:06 »

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There's still one thing I'm curious about though... What happens if you already got the DS and/or BA to randomly spawn and then trigger the forced spawns?  Will you get duplicated uniques?  Crashes?

Also...
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #128 on: May 10, 2013, 15:27 »


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« Last Edit: May 10, 2013, 15:32 by GinDiamond »
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #129 on: May 10, 2013, 16:56 »

Man, at least everyone else can find the stupid thing. =P
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #130 on: May 10, 2013, 17:53 »

         
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This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think. In any case, I've never found a Tourist suit in DoomRL ;)

If it helps, my only DS finds occurred on AAo666 games.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #131 on: May 10, 2013, 18:59 »

This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think. In any case, I've never found a Tourist suit in DoomRL ;)

If it helps, my only DS finds occurred on AAo666 games.

I saw the tourist suit, but somehow passed up on the UC part. Whoopsie.

And yeah, maybe I'll have to try that sometime, but AAo666 really does just sound like a complete and utter grind. I've done more than a few Ao100 games, but I haven't found it on them (surprisingly), and even those feel kinda grindy if I don't play Scout and start rushing to the stairs after a certain level.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #132 on: May 10, 2013, 22:43 »

There's still one thing I'm curious about though... What happens if you already got the DS and/or BA to randomly spawn and then trigger the forced spawns?  Will you get duplicated uniques?  Crashes?
It's extremely unlikely but it looks like it's possible to have a randomly spawned DS and then trigger the guaranteed one.  For the DS, you won't be able to pick it up.  It's slightly more likely with the BA, and you can pick up the second BA, but it's pointless if you already have one.
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #133 on: May 11, 2013, 01:25 »

@GinDiamond:

yes, but it not intended. At least by me. When I make debug module I think that no DS at custom mods. But it spawns... :) surprise
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Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
« Reply #134 on: May 11, 2013, 07:00 »

This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think

Well I just did the same thing and was able to pin point it out.
it really is some serious level of difficulty to make it spawn but not exactly 2dev level.

Well no need to worry about that anymore
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