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months into this game and can still barely win
flamewolf393:
I just dont get it. Is the game supposed to be truly *THAT* hard? Ive played hundreds of games, use all the expert tactics, can quote basically every item, trait, and boss tactic... and yet I've only won a small handful of times even on ITYTD...
LuckyDee:
Hey there! Yeah, this game is hard, but indeed not *THAT* hard - and with a little instruction, HNTR should be very beatable in no time. Have you had a look at this beginner's guide? Additionally, have a look at Game Hunter's YouTube channel - the videos are from previous (ASCII) versions, but still very relevant.
If these have been tried and failed you, please be a little more specific - maybe post a couple of mortems detailing your typical deaths in order to get some response. Any specific enemies or dlevs giving you trouble? How do you choose to build your characters?
And to give you my personal get-you-going favorite: start as a Scout, and take both levels of Intuition immediately. It allows you to spot (most) enemies before they can spot you, enabling you to 'tag' them, then take a safe position and cornershoot them to shreds.
Hope this helps.
thelaptop:
Short answer: yes.
Less short answer: I suspect you are too aggressive in your game play. Two survival hints from me:
* Use your diagonal movements to walk. This means zig-zagging towards the direction you are heading. For example, if moving to right of screen, first go diagonal down-right, then diagonal up-left and repeat. This increases your chances of dodging projectiles and should increase your survivability.
* Patience is a virtue. The "wait" command can help you maintain cover and wait in [relative] safety as enemies move towards you.
Open areas are generally not your good friend -- DoomGuy is squishy for the most part, and getting hit by more than one projectile in a single move is usually a terrible idea. Cover is key, and you should probably learn to use more of it.
Of course, that alone isn't enough. But hopefully these tips will help you.
flamewolf393:
Yep, looked at those. Ive emulated the exact tactics of all the best players out there, but it just doesnt seem to work as well for me. Now I will say that I have basically documentable proof that RNG's hate me. If something depends on a programs RNG, I will generally only be at about 25% of the average success rate. I am the living incarnation of murphys law when it comes to RNG's and game bugs XD.
There is no one enemy that gives me trouble, its ususally just attrittion, or sudden random excessive damage. I will say its rare for me to die to the big baddies, its most often that one surprise shotgunner from around the corner or something equally stupid, or that barrel around the other corner I didnt even know was there.
One thing that really gets me though, is I find once in a while an enemy will just randomly do a butt-ton more damage than they should, like an imp that might normally do 5-15% suddenly hits for 40%. I think Im too stingy with my healthpacks... I find myself running around with <50% health far too often -.-
As for my builds, the ONLY build I have ever actually won with is shotgun/dodgemaster build, but even thats unreliable because of late game ammo issues. I've tried out pretty much every build out there, but none of them seem to work for me but that one. I can do really well with dualgunner builds... until the bruiser brothers. My last one I had 2 SoB, 2 SoG, and dualgunner, and took out one of them before the other got in melee and just wrecked me. Rapid fire builds are good, but I can rarely make it to the midgame with them to get to the point where they actually work. Melee builds are fun, but completely unworkable, i usually die by the 3rd level.
flamewolf393:
Well, I think the game felt sorry for me. I finally had an easy run XD.
Had invincibility globes going into each of the boss fights, found energy vest on 2nd level, maleks armor and gothic boots on 1st level of deimos, and a jackhammer on the first level of hell with plenty of ammo everywhere.
Best run Ive ever had.
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