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Nightmare advice?
Minaro:
--- Quote from: ZicherCZ on January 24, 2017, 23:56 ---IMHO, it's only "broken" for builds that can stunlock Spidey (i.e. can make her flinch consistently and fast enough).
The only builds that I can think of are Berserker builds with a chainsword at least (and those have to get in melee range first), and SoG5 Sharpshooters (SoG4 could probably work as well, with something better than a standard pistol, SoG3 would be too slow). Huge-damage weapons need to reload too often to be consistent.
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I don't know, wouldn't basically any melee build with a Ripper be able to pull that off?
Just remembered something else I've been wondering about for a while, how much damage does Lost Souls actually deal? I just remember checking the wiki long ago and upon seeing the numbers there just said "BS". Most likely those numbers are from before the update that changed their AI and stats.
horos:
Been quite busy, and wow this topic has exploded, haha!
--- Quote from: Moonshine Fox ---Me I've personally only beaten it on HMP several times, but never on UV, so I'd say to me winning on N! seems impossible and very much worthy of achievement. ^^
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Good luck on your UV win! I personally found HMP harder then UV. You don't get any of the bonuses (Extra ammo) and Hell Knights, the main obstacle, can be gift dropped and cornershot, whereas from what I remember of HMP it's more lower monsters that spawn, which are more difficult. It's funny what being a camper does to you!
I appreciate the sentiment of your post though, and I would reflect it back at you and say never give up. I'm sure you'll get there and easily become a better player then me in no time.
--- Quote from: Tormuse ---Yeah, pretty much. Being highly skilled will usually get you far in N!, but you'll still get screwed over by bad luck from time to time. I'd say it takes a combination of skill and luck.
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I see, that's good to know. I feel slightly better then-
--- Quote ---Congrats on your N! win! :D And two Platinum badges! Well done! :D And yeah, a Blademaster stair-dive is arguably one of the easier methods of winning a N! game, but still, it's quite an achievement! :)
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Shush! I worked that out! :p
I would have attempted another run but fear of the anomaly is holding me back.
--- Quote ---I have theories, but nothing I should probably post publicly. ;)
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--- Quote ---I better shut up before moderators get on me about ataying on topic
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Actually, in my original post I did ask about how people perform stuff like this (and i'm still curious!):
--- Quote ---As an extension question - how do you complete no damage/speed challenges? Now, obviously you can kite the Angel of Death around the UC - that's no big deal if you have enough movespeed and combat knives (Or you are confident in timing your steps and attacks). And taking on enemies 1v1 damageless is also suitably easy given you have some form of cover or high movespeed. But how are you supposed to do this with multiple enemies?
Now, obviously we can't all be Neo, er, TwoDev, but I don't understand in what way he (and others! Credit where credit is due) performs some of the challenges he does - and in very little time, at that! A recent AoMs YAAM of mine gave me the line " He played for 2 hours, 35 minutes and 8 seconds.", and i'd consider that fairly fast!
In what way do you go about doing challenges like this? Things like the higher level gatekeeper badges, clearing the mortuary without damage, etc.
I understand it is supposed to be difficult, but I don't understand what basic tactics or the method you would go about doing these kinds of things. Having random creatures fireball you out of the blue happens to me more often then not unless I camp - which doesn't work on these kinds of challenges. And the Gatekeeper just seems flat out impossible, given i've never gone to the bruiser brothers without a significant paddling.
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So I wouldn't really call it off topic, technically. But of course, that's for the mods to decide, even if it is part of the original post!
ZicherCZ:
--- Quote from: Minaro on January 25, 2017, 17:01 ---I don't know, wouldn't basically any melee build with a Ripper be able to pull that off?
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You're right, even if this means a heavy trait investment for WK2 (2 traits if you're a Technician, 4 if you're not), and a bit of luck with finding the mods.
--- Quote ---Just remembered something else I've been wondering about for a while, how much damage does Lost Souls actually deal? I just remember checking the wiki long ago and upon seeing the numbers there just said "BS". Most likely those numbers are from before the update that changed their AI and stats.
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Again you're correct. I updated the Wiki page.
Tormuse:
--- Quote from: horos on January 25, 2017, 22:18 ---Actually, in my original post I did ask about how people perform stuff like this (and i'm still curious!):
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*Tormuse contemplates how to reply to this*
Deathwind:
--- Quote from: Tormuse on January 26, 2017, 15:40 ---*Tormuse contemplates how to reply to this*
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Tormuse, you have videos showing how you do this stuff...
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