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 on: January 22, 2020, 22:12 
Started by Andizee - Last post by Tormuse
Nice win!  :)  I have yet to so much as reach Io in this challenge.  I did get pretty far with a "cold" shotgun once, though, so I agree that it's pretty powerful.  (Died very suddenly to a Heavy around a corner, who brought me from 40 down to nothing)  :(

 on: January 22, 2020, 02:08 
Started by Andizee - Last post by Andizee
As for leveling, could it be the result of a lot of infighting?  (I know you don't get experience if they kill each other)
Indeed, it might be the case.

 on: January 21, 2020, 20:30 
Started by Andizee - Last post by Tormuse
Wow, nice one!  :)  Sounds like you were more fortunate with ammo distribution than in my own AoC game.

As for leveling, could it be the result of a lot of infighting?  (I know you don't get experience if they kill each other)

 on: January 21, 2020, 18:10 
Started by Andizee - Last post by khiijol
you're having an incredible string of runs here, congratulations!

 on: January 21, 2020, 17:29 
Started by Andizee - Last post by Andizee
I finally completed the challenge I attempted many times since 0.8.0.
It's AoSh on Hard (and thus Shottyman Gold).

RNG was god -- I got early (somewhere in Callisto) an ADV shotgun with +damage, 50% reload, and Chill effect, which carried me through the game, and this was the very same shotgun I took down the Summoner. I also got in Europa an ADV blue armor with faster reload time property.
And there were plenty of grenades and I used them all.

The run was still very hard, there were a number of moments when I had no medkits left. Once I had to run into the closest elevator with a smear of health from a pack of exalted kerberos. If not for Chill effect shotgun, I would have never made it.

Chill effect is OP. I got another extremely good shotgun in Io, an ADV dual with Vampiric + Reloader.
Sounds like a shottyman's dream. But Chill was still better. It's a mass slow. With very short reload time (50% + Rel2 + improved reload time from ADV armor) + fire (80% from A-mod) so fast that most oftenI could do two shots, mass Chill and then Shredder, and then a finishing shot or retreat, while enemies still stumbling.

The hardest enemies are Armored/Siege Ravagers -- there are lots of them in the late game, rockets really hurt, and it takes two-three shots (one with Shredder) to bring one down. So there was a lot of maneuvering to lure them to where I could get to them close enough, and while maneuvering there is always a chance to catch a rocket. Security bots are troublesome in Callisto, but past Valhalla Spaceport they are less numerous, so I usually just left them alone.

The most annoying are turrets. They don't wonder off; if they block the way, they have to be dealt with.
However, unlike early 0.8..., with the recent updatest there are many ways to take down a turret. Disabling with terminals if there are spare multitools. With any grenade: Frag or krak or EMP, then a single Shredder shot; or smoke/gas and then fire a few times into the fog. A couple of Shredder shots do the job, too (depending on how close you can get), but there is a risk of being fired in return. With my constant shortage of medkits, I did not dare attack rocket turrets without grenades.

My choice of the class was Marine. It's counterintuitive. But I tried many times with Tech in earlier versions for advanced modding (in 0.8.7, Tech is not very unsuitable for this challenge) and Scout which seemed like the best choice in 0.8.7. But it turns out the Marine's access to extra healing and strong defense skills like Iro, HR, and Incoming are really dominant in this challenge. Reload Dance is pretty good, too. And, of course, Shredder is designed for this.

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 on: January 21, 2020, 11:39 
Started by Andizee - Last post by Andizee
I just noticed I only reached level 13, though I did all the special levels, went through Beyond and Limbo. I guess, to get level 14, one needs to do CRI Armory.

 on: January 21, 2020, 11:37 
Started by Tormuse - Last post by Andizee
Tormuse -- congratulations! This is inspirational. I have never attempted AoD yet, it's on my list, but I was wondering if it can be done on UV. Now I know.

About grenades:
I usually keep one or two types of grenades.
I always pick up krak. They are for multiple bots or when I need a bot to immediately die. They instakill security bots and are extremely good against military/cri bots. So I consider krak the most precious one. But also I don't hold them for long, I use them. (Summoner does not need krak any more, its armor gets destroyed anyway in the first encounter, before it teleports away.)
Smoke and toxic are good to get away, I try to keep a stack of one or the other, but never both.
Frag is nearly useless past Callisto. EMP is good, but not as good as krak. Now with Hack, there is a new use of EMP to get to turrets for hacking.

In general, a typical mid-game preference is:
for Marine: smoke/gas > krak > stack of ammo > EMP > frag
for other classes: krak > stack of ammo > EMP > smoke/gas > frag

 on: January 21, 2020, 10:12 
Started by Andizee - Last post by Andizee
This was an absolutely cool run! Blasting everything on the way, very satisfying. I think AoC is the best angel challenge.

To tackle AoC on UV, I realized Marine is not going to work, because Marine has absolutely no way of breaking away from close-ups and hairy situations (given that grenades are not allowed in this challenge). I tried with Tech, but quickly realized that in 0.8.7 there are almost no Tech-specific traits that help the challenge. One is Hunker down, another is Incoming! which could be very useful; and maybe Remote Hack, but not sure. In contrast, Scout has a lot more: Hellrunner+Dodgemaster+Running, and of course Reloader! And Second Wind (which I ended up not taking).

The run was highlighted by a large number of krak grenades (which of course I could not use) -- one chest containing three of them! And only a single(!) multitool drop in the entire run. I procured two more from a station, so these three were all I got to repair my armors.
I also took Packrat because of the worry that 70 rockets is not enough, but then I immediately found Backpack, so that Packrat was a waste. And I think from Europa onward I never dropped below 40 rockets anyway.

Andizee, level 13 Scout, defeated
The Summoner against all odds.
He survived for 10873 turns.
The run time was 2h 15m 45s.
He scored 6648 points.
He was an Angel of Carnage!

CALLISTO L4 -> Military Barracks
Military Barracks - cleared
EUROPA L3 -> Europa Dig Zone L1
Europa Dig Zone L2 -> Tyre Outpost
Tyre Outpost - cleared
IO L4 -> Io Warehouse
Io Warehouse - cleared
BEYOND L2 -> Limbo
Limbo - cleared

  Medal of Prejudice (+200)
   * Won with 100% kills
  CRI Star (bronze cluster) (+25)
   * 25+ kills without taking damage
  CRI Star (silver cluster) (+50)
   * 50+ kills without taking damage
  Explorer Ribbon (+50)
   * Visited all encountered special levels
  Conqueror Ribbon (+100)
   * Completed all encountered special levels

He killed 507 out of 507 enemies.

  5 former CRI soldiers
  16 former soldiers
  1 military bot
  28 reavers
  11 hellish soldiers
  6 corrupted soldiers
  29 turrets
  6 exalted soldiers
  15 exalted fiends
  43 armored ravagers
  8 siege ravagers
  4 plasma ravagers
  12 security drones
  18 CRI marines
  12 CRI bots
  1 summoner
  38 fiends
  3 exalted reavers
  35 fire fiends
  16 security bots
  7 toxic reavers
  2 CRI guards
  4 former grunts
  41 archreavers
  11 former guards
  40 ravagers
  2 former CRI commandos
  14 hellish commandos
  1 former CRI grunt
  1 corrupted sergeant
  2 corrupted commandos
  3 former heavys
  17 former commandos
  6 corrupted heavys
  3 hellish sergeants
  5 kerbeross
  2 hellish heavys
  4 former sergeants
  2 military drones
  1 former CRI sergeant
  8 cryobeross
  4 combat drones
  16 rocket turrets
  11 cryoreavers
  2 cybeross

  Skilled L2
  Hellrunner L2
  Packrat L1
  Reloader L2
  Gun hoarder
  Whizkid L1

  Slot #1 : rocket launcher P2A
  Slot #2 : rocket launcher PBA
  Slot #3 : rocket launcher B
  Body    :  - NONE -
  Utility : CRI backpack

  rocket (x10)
  rocket (x10)
  rocket (x10)
  rocket (x10)
  rocket (x10)
  rocket (x10)
  rocket (x2)
  military stimpack
  small medkit (x2)

 on: January 21, 2020, 01:08 
Started by Tormuse - Last post by Moonshine Fox
I agree with EMP grenades. I rarely pick up anything but those. But then I play Tech most of the time, so I have a smoke grenade on demand, pretty much.

 on: January 20, 2020, 11:22 
Started by Andizee - Last post by khiijol
great run, i'll have to try a pistol run with the latest version. last i did was on 0.8.0 which is far different than the current build

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